Day 294 Obama Administration November 9, 2009 - History

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The President began his day by receiving his daily briefings.The Presdient closed his official day with a meeting with Secretary of State Clinton.

President Obama then met with his senior advisors.

In the evening the President signed the Veterans Employment Initiative Exective Order

Later in the evening the President met wit Prime Minister Netanyahu of Israel


SOSPECHOSA CARTA ILLUMINATI PRESENTA PERSONAJE PARECIDO A HOLMES

¿Se parece el personaje de la carta INWO a la foto verdadera del asesino Holmes?

Por otro lado diversas páginas concuerdan en que el caso de Holmes pudiera estar vinculado a planes de la CIA para el control de armas

Fuente: godlikeproductions (punto) com/forum1/message1931224/pg1

James Holmes a CIA Operative?James Eagan Holmes Perpetrator of Aurora, Colorado Theater Massacre a CIA Operative

By now, everyone in the modern world has heard the news about the massacre at the Cinemark movie theater in Aurora, Colorado where James Eagan Holmes, dressed in full body armor opened fire on moviegoers at the screening of the new Batman movie "Dark Knight Rises" killing 12 and injuring some 60. On the surface, it appears the shooter James Eagan Holmes was completely off the record to authorities having no criminal record at all and only a speeding ticket in 2011.

What we are told about Holmes is that he was a medical student graduating with highest honors with a neuroscience degree at the University of California in Riverside in 2010. In 2011, he enrolled in a neuroscience program at the University of Colorado but, recently was in the process of withdrawal. Holmes apparently came from a moderate income family life in San Diego, California.

Holmes is said to have been a person of little words with an inquiring mind.

Weapons in his possession were an AR 15 assault rifle, Remington shotgun, and two 40 caliber Glock handguns which were purchased recently in May, June, and July of 2012.

With the info we have it seems Holmes simply got infatuated with guns and very recently planned the attack for no apparent reason or reasons unknown to anyone else but Holmes himself. His academic record was good and the prospects of further achievements were also very good. His family was stable and his own situation was problem free.

So, we are supposed to believe Holmes simply went nuts and decided to kill a few people even though he was problem free. I don't buy this explanation at all.

This supposedly random incident stinks with the smell of CIA involvement when the whole picture is put together.

First of all, he basically lived on campus over the last few years where CIA recruiters frequent daily trying to find new talent for the agency and he would have been a prime interest for several recruitment attempts during his time on campus.

Secondly, his recent withdrawal from school coincides with his purchase of weapons. This is an indication that he was recruited by the agency in the last 6 months and immediately began planning his mission.

There are many reasons the CIA would want to create a high profile massacre in the national media. The threat of terrorism is kept alive and well in the minds of the public allowing more freedom killing legislation to be enacted at home, as well as providing the necessity to wage wars abroad.

Recent attempts for gun control at home as well as the desire to sign a United Nations arms treaty are the main reasons to stage a massacre involving the use of guns.

Barack Hussein Obama and Hillary Clinton are presently holding backdoor meetings with UN officials trying to hammer out a deal on an international treaty which would limit and eventually outlaw private gun ownership.

The nucleus of this gun control treaty was the brainchild of a group of Nobel Peace Laureates in 2003 and first considered by the UN in 2006 in which the UN General Assembly adopted resolution 61/89 an arms trade treaty establishing international standards for the import, export, and transfer of conventional small arms.

Under the Bush Administration, the US rejected the deal. However, since 2009 under the Obama Administration the US has overturned the previous Bush policy.

The objective of the Arms Trade Treaty is to regulate international trade of conventional weapons by non government entities. In other words, restrict and outlaw the possession of private gun ownership, stop the sale of guns and ammo to the general public, and to disarm law abiding citizens for the simple reason of reducing the potential for violent resistance to the government in the face of implementing the New World Order.

As far as James Eagan Holmes is concerned, he will enjoy having a new life with a new identity in the near future when the initial dust settles from the incident. If anyone is actually executed for the massacre, it will be some slob who was destined to be executed for a Capital criminal act anyway and he will take Holmes' place, while his family enjoys government funds as payment for doing so.

Such false flag operations staged for the manipulation of the public for sinister government plans is nothing new, it has been going on since the 1940’s, but it doesn't fly for all of us who see behind the smoke and mirrors of deception.


Day 294 Obama Administration November 9, 2009 - History

I'm sure none of you are surprised by the media's behavior here: You saw them "vet" Joe the Plumber for asking Obama about wealth redistribution. The problem wasn't the question Joe asked -- it was Obama's response. Obama casually admitted his desire to "spread the wealth around," and instead of taking that as the news of the day -- an actual admission of socialist intent -- the media set itself on destroying Joe the Plumber for daring to ask a presidential candidate a question when that candidate had actually gone to his neighborhood, ostensibly to meet and answer questions from voters.

Well, Ken Bone hurt Hillary a little by asking a straight and fair question about Obamacare, so now he must be destroyed:

It's worth noticing that the "stop having fun, this person has Bad Opinions" drill always comes from the same group of websites. pic.twitter.com/IHe84U88Xc

&mdash Alan Cole (@AlanMCole) October 14, 2016

Way to make sure average people don't have a voice in politics, you click hungry assholes: pic.twitter.com/OykuLLPruG

&mdash DanRiehl (@DanRiehl) October 14, 2016

Bone is being assailed for agreeing with the George Zimmerman jury that Zimmerman acted in self-defense -- even while thinking he's a "dirty old shit bag" otherwise.

@freddoso Most of the people criticizing Ken haven't actually read the comment. He clearly has no love lost for Zimmerman. Nothing there. pic.twitter.com/xFLC0B3gh9

&mdash Craig S. Bell (@craig_s_bell) October 14, 2016


Gizmodo needs you to know he has watched porn, and even commented upon it:

Lest you think this is just the Gawker Gang, nope: The allegedly professional, non-blog media is in on the #WhenDoesJustinesPlaneLand? hunt.

CNN needs you to know he wrote dirty words on Reddit:

The New York Times is of course among the ringleaders:


So there's our media: Afflicting those who afflict the comfortable, and comforting those who afflict the afflicted.

By the way, how far do we want to take this "vetting of people who ask questions," media?

Jake Tapper tweeted that people in the media who are themselves guilty of sexual harassment/abuse of women should perhaps take a lower profile in handling the Trump allegations:

The journalists out there with a history of sexual harassment/assault should probably be keeping a lower profile in this discussion. 😠

&mdash Jake Tapper (@jaketapper) October 13, 2016

I'm sure the hell interested to know who he had in mind.

Apparently he was accused -- amazingly! -- of meaning victims of sexual assault should take a lower profile, when he obviously means the perpetrators should take a lower profile. He had to clarify his meaning -- I assume after people determined to shut him up did what they do, which is to make furious and spurious accusations of Thoughtcrimes.

I don't think a lot of people quite understand what's happening here: This is actually the overclass declaring war on anyone who does not swear fealty towards them.

Comments

Posted by: Skip at October 14, 2016 04:46 PM (sWbjH)

Posted by: ThunderB at October 14, 2016 04:46 PM (CgrKm)

Posted by: Skip at October 14, 2016 04:46 PM (sWbjH)

4 He was never American's sweetheart. The vicious mocking tone of Trevor Noah and all his fellow leftists actually made me sick. I knew Mr. Bone's destruction was about to start.

This is more than bullying, this is personal destruction. They are terrible people!

Posted by: PJ at October 14, 2016 04:47 PM (cHuNI)

Posted by: Hillary at October 14, 2016 04:48 PM (7wyDO)

6 Jake Tapper tweeted -- and he maybe deleted it -- that people in the media who are themselves guilty of sexual harassment/abuse of women should perhaps take a lower profile in handling the Trump allegations.

Maybe Tapper knows that the Donald has some inside info of his own.

Posted by: kallisto at October 14, 2016 04:49 PM (nNdYv)

Posted by: Cicero -- Profoundly Deplorable But Pretty Dependable at October 14, 2016 04:49 PM (8ZskC)

8 The only opinions private citizens are allowed are the opinions that the media feeds us.

WRONGTHINK MUST BE PUNISHED

Posted by: Votermom the deplorable @vm on gab at October 14, 2016 04:49 PM (Om16U)

9 But I was promised by the anti-trumpers that this kind of Soviet/Nazi style behaviors (destroying dissent) would not happen under a Hillary Presidency.

Posted by: Pepe, The Irredeemable at October 14, 2016 04:49 PM (B9BVe)

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at October 14, 2016 04:49 PM (iFgwk)

11 I'm sure the hell interested to know who he had in mind.

I don't think a lot of people quite understand what's happening here: This is actually the overclass declaring war on anyone who does not swear fealty towards them.

the difference is, it was never known or reported before

that is why there is so much filtering going on in Twitter, Facebook, YouTube, and Google Searches.

And that is why the elites want to attach an accreditation to "online journalists." To oust the truth.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at October 14, 2016 04:49 PM (qCMvj)

Posted by: T-Squared at October 14, 2016 04:50 PM (VkAIj)

Posted by: Cicero -- Profoundly Deplorable But Pretty Dependable at October 14, 2016 04:50 PM (8ZskC)

btw, damn these people all to hell

no one is safe around Democrats

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at October 14, 2016 04:50 PM (qCMvj)

Posted by: Anon a mouse. at October 14, 2016 04:50 PM (C9pBZ)

16 7 Hillary is just trying to bring us all together. She said so.
Posted by: Cicero -- Profoundly Deplorable But Pretty Dependable at October 14, 2016 04:49 PM (8ZskC)

Makes for the culling more efficient.

Posted by: Pepe, The Irredeemable at October 14, 2016 04:50 PM (B9BVe)

Posted by: IC at October 14, 2016 04:50 PM (a0IVu)

Posted by: TheQuietMan at October 14, 2016 04:50 PM (493sH)

19 Pompous, self righteous, hypocritical, sanctimonious, assholes who think their shit don't stink! The man asked ONE friggin' question and they're up his ass!

How 'bout we look into your background, you perverted, incomprehensible jizztrumpets. (yeah, I stole that last one).

Gawd. I am sooooo sick of the media!

Posted by: Tami. Powering through being a depolorable at October 14, 2016 04:51 PM (Enq6K)

20 Ken Bone meet Joe the Plumber. Joe the plumber meet Ken Bone

Just another way to signal their utter contempt

Posted by: ThunderB at October 14, 2016 04:51 PM (CgrKm)

Posted by: Cicero -- Profoundly Deplorable But Pretty Dependable at October 14, 2016 04:51 PM (8ZskC)

Posted by: deplorable donna at October 14, 2016 04:51 PM (O2RFr)

23 But I was promised by the anti-trumpers that this kind of Soviet/Nazi style behaviors (destroying dissent) would not happen under a Hillary Presidency.

Posted by: Pepe, The Irredeemable at October 14, 2016 04:49 PM (B9BVe)

they are part and parcel to it

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at October 14, 2016 04:51 PM (qCMvj)

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at October 14, 2016 04:51 PM (VTvvP)

Posted by: Hillary's Posse at October 14, 2016 04:51 PM (X7E8f)

Posted by: Skip at October 14, 2016 04:51 PM (sWbjH)

Posted by: Duncanthrax at October 14, 2016 04:51 PM (71st6)

28 You guys should see the little pajama boy asswipe pos faggot who wrote the story at Gizmodo.

Makes me want to punch him in his vagina

Posted by: dagny at October 14, 2016 04:52 PM (/f2t4)

29 The Ken Bone thing really enrages me.

It's like ganging up on Boo Radley in To Kill A Mockingbird

Posted by: Votermom the deplorable @vm on gab at October 14, 2016 04:52 PM (Om16U)

Posted by: Hillary Clinton at October 14, 2016 04:52 PM (X7E8f)

31 . Am I gonna have to pay a future personal price for commenting here?"

I, however, am old. And in Texas.

Posted by: Anon a mouse. at October 14, 2016 04:52 PM (C9pBZ)

Posted by: wooga at October 14, 2016 04:52 PM (QlC+L)

Posted by: The Ministry of Propangda at October 14, 2016 04:52 PM (qJhUV)

Posted by: USNtakim at October 14, 2016 04:52 PM (hMqvx)

35 26 Hillary trying to pull us all together? What about the half of the country deplorables?

And irredeemable' s and Billy Jeff's favorite red necks?

Posted by: deplorable donna at October 14, 2016 04:52 PM (O2RFr)

36 . and they wonder why "good people wont get in to politics" or why people appreciate Trumps complete lack of self awareness and inability to feel embarrassment.

Because even some fat slob undecided dunce at a debate gets this kind of treatment. Yeah, lets embarrass the shit out of him! (also, they doxxed his comments on his vasectomy -- sweet guys, way to out his (possibly) embarrassing medical procedures too)

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at October 14, 2016 04:53 PM (cJrMO)

Posted by: Grump928(c) notes at October 14, 2016 04:53 PM (QQ+il)

38 2 This kind of crap is downright frightening. Am I gonna have to pay a future personal price for commenting here?
Posted by: T-Squared at October 14, 2016 04:50 PM (VkAIj)

There is a sound reason why the silent majority is silent about Trump.

If Hillary wins we slide towards totalitarianism brought to you by the S&P 500.

Posted by: Pepe, The Irredeemable at October 14, 2016 04:53 PM (B9BVe)

39 MSNBC is reporting that both Tray Tray Martin and George Zimmerman were sexually assaulted by Trump as they rassled on the ground.

Obama said if he had a son he would look like Tray Tray and he hoped Trump would not "molest" him.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at October 14, 2016 04:53 PM (ej1L0)

Posted by: Votermom the deplorable @vm on gab at October 14, 2016 04:53 PM (Om16U)

41 I'm beginning to believe the Beast's camps won't be Fun Camps.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at October 14, 2016 04:53 PM (928Aa)

42 I DENOUNCE ALL MY PRIOR COMMENTS
MY DEVICE WAS STOLEN
I ONLY THINK THE APPROVED THOUGHTS AT WHATEVER FUTURE TIME MY COMMENT HISTORY IS DISCOVERED

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at October 14, 2016 04:54 PM (yZefC)

Posted by: TheQuietMan at October 14, 2016 04:54 PM (493sH)

CNNMoney?: Ken Bone leaves seedy comment trail on Reddit

The Daily Beast: Ken Bone's Disturbing Reddit History Shows.

Gizmodo.com: Ken Bone Forgot to Delete His Reddit Porn Comments.

Slate: What Ken Bone's Porn Preferences Tell Us.

Foxnews.com: Ken Bone linked to questionable past comments on Reddit

Engadget.com: Ken Bone may have violated FTC rules with Uber tweet

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at October 14, 2016 04:54 PM (kdS6q)

Posted by: Duncanthrax at October 14, 2016 04:54 PM (71st6)

Posted by: wth at October 14, 2016 04:54 PM (HgMAr)

47 The media giveth, the media taketh away.

What a bunch of sociopaths.

Posted by: MacGruber at October 14, 2016 04:54 PM (C278+)

48 Hillary promised to shut down Breitbart.

The HQ is probably on her list as well.

Posted by: Votermom the deplorable @vm on gab at October 14, 2016 04:54 PM (Om16U)

Posted by: Anon a mouse. at October 14, 2016 04:55 PM (C9pBZ)

Posted by: Ken Bone at October 14, 2016 04:55 PM (4e+hS)

Posted by: The Jury System at October 14, 2016 04:55 PM (df+Zi)

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at October 14, 2016 04:55 PM (qCMvj)

53 So, have the Beast's minions gone after the veteran who dared tell her he'd be in prison for doing just a smidge with classified e-mails as she did?

She gave him one hell of a stink eye. I'm surprised he hasn't killed himself with three shots to the back of the head.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at October 14, 2016 04:55 PM (928Aa)

It is inside baseball to liberals, the rest of the country will not take to kindly to this kind of fascism.

Posted by: Nip Sip at October 14, 2016 04:55 PM (NbJXF)

Posted by: Barack Obama at October 14, 2016 04:55 PM (C278+)

Posted by: tubal at October 14, 2016 04:55 PM (d6TTt)

There is a sound reason why the silent majority is silent about Trump.

If Hillary wins we slide towards totalitarianism brought to you by the S&P 500.

Posted by: Pepe, The Irredeemable

************
Do you think they will put us all together in the same camp?

Posted by: T-Squared at October 14, 2016 04:56 PM (VkAIj)

Posted by: talgus at October 14, 2016 04:56 PM (fJQAI)

59 DanRiehl @DanRiehl
Way to make sure average people don't have a voice in politics, you click hungry asshole

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at October 14, 2016 04:56 PM (qCMvj)

Posted by: Toby Sunshine at October 14, 2016 04:56 PM (QQ+il)

Posted by: Skip at October 14, 2016 04:56 PM (sWbjH)

62 I'm beginning to believe the Beast's camps won't be Fun Camps.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at October 14, 2016 04:53 PM (928Aa)
.

But she wouldn't lie to us would she?

Posted by: wth at October 14, 2016 04:56 PM (HgMAr)

there's not enough music in the world to drown this out

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at October 14, 2016 04:56 PM (qCMvj)

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at October 14, 2016 04:56 PM (iFgwk)

65 Hillary trying to pull us all together?
Posted by: Skip at October 14, 2016 04:51 PM

Posted by: W.J. Bubba Clinton at October 14, 2016 04:57 PM (71st6)

66
The HQ is probably on her list as well.
Posted by: Votermom the deplorable @vm on gab at October 14, 2016 04:54 PM (Om16U)

Its the gardening thread isn't it?

Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at October 14, 2016 04:57 PM (lKyWE)

Posted by: Teddy Roosevelt at October 14, 2016 04:57 PM (QQ+il)

68 It is inside baseball to liberals, the rest of the country will not take to kindly to this kind of fascism.

Posted by: Nip Sip at October 14, 2016 04:55 PM (NbJXF)

That's what you think. Too many people are either too damn stupid or brainwashed to know how bad this is. They'll join in the 2 minutes of hate

Posted by: TheQuietMan at October 14, 2016 04:57 PM (493sH)

69 48 Hillary promised to shut down Breitbart.

The HQ is probably on her list as well.
Posted by: Votermom the deplorable @vm on gab at October 14, 2016 04:54 PM (Om16U)

Yeah. Grim thought. But how could we not be?

This may all go away if she wins.

Posted by: tubal at October 14, 2016 04:57 PM (d6TTt)

70 "the media set itself on destroying Joe the Plumber for daring to ask a
presidential candidate a question when that candidate had actually gone
to his neighborhood, ostensibly to meet and answer questions from
voters."

Not just "the media" by any means.

Democratic apparatchiks promptly went on spelunking expeditions through every file and database owned by state, county and municipal government in Ohio to try to dig up dirt on Joe.

Those actions are crimes. Unambiguously, definitively crimes. This stuff is black-letter law and invasion of privacy. Under color of authority, to boot.

Posted by: torquewrench at October 14, 2016 04:57 PM (noWW6)

Posted by: dagny at October 14, 2016 04:57 PM (/f2t4)

Posted by: steevy at October 14, 2016 04:57 PM (fA75F)

Posted by: ace at October 14, 2016 04:57 PM (dciA+)

Posted by: A deplorable dude in MI at October 14, 2016 04:57 PM (0LQ4f)

Posted by: mallfly SuPreme at October 14, 2016 04:57 PM (TWEt2)

76 Yes. I don't quite get why more people don't find stuff like this frightening. The rabid bias, the complete lack of principles in a business that is supposed to be non partisan.

The MSM collectively smirks every time they hear that "watchdog of democracy" bullshit. They're greasing the skids toward fascism.

Posted by: Cicero -- Profoundly Deplorable But Pretty Dependable at October 14, 2016 04:58 PM (8ZskC)

77 I don't think a lot of people quite understand what's happening here:
This is actually the overclass declaring war on anyone who does not
swear fealty towards them.
---
Give them war back.

We do not need any of them.

Posted by: Methos at October 14, 2016 04:58 PM (3Liv/)

Posted by: New York Times at October 14, 2016 04:58 PM (HgMAr)

79 Just a note for the Horde. I have a fake face book account and I checked the privacy settings.

By default your posts are public, so GO TO YOUR FACE BOOK PAGE AND CHANGE THE DEFAULT TO PRIVATE.

Posted by: Nip Sip at October 14, 2016 04:58 PM (NbJXF)

80 In the Leftist ideal world a guy like Ken Bone would have been picked upthat night without a soul knowing where he got to.

Posted by: Skip at October 14, 2016 04:56 PM (sWbjH)

*cough* anti-Muzzie video maker *cough*

Posted by: Jane D'oh at October 14, 2016 04:58 PM (928Aa)

81 This Ken Bome was completely I memorable to me from the last debate. Why he has garnered so much attention escapes me.

God help anyone here who decides to run for office in the future if the press reads our comments.

Posted by: L, Elle at October 14, 2016 04:58 PM (6IPEM)

82 >>>Most of the people criticizing Ken haven't actually read the comment.

Based on this, Ken expressed disdain for Zimmerman at the same time as supporting the ruling. But the media is reporting it as having taken place *after* supporting the ruling, as if he was merely reacting to backlash.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at October 14, 2016 04:58 PM (iFgwk)

83 Its the gardening thread isn't it"

Yep. Pickling just sets her off.

Posted by: Anon a mouse. at October 14, 2016 04:58 PM (C9pBZ)

84 >>>>72 Oh good news,you can now rent gyno Ghostbusters on demand!

oh i completely forgot: I rented that two days ago, then turned it off after twenty minutes. I forgot I rented it until late last night, then watched the rest of it.

It made such an impression on me I completely forgot that I'd watched it in order to write a reveiw of it, until you mentioned it.

Posted by: ace at October 14, 2016 04:58 PM (dciA+)

85 78
Trump groped Ken Bone, and he liked it.

Posted by: New York Times at October 14, 2016 04:58 PM (HgMAr)

Ken "Bone". Oh that sounds so inviting.

Posted by: Barney at October 14, 2016 04:59 PM (NbJXF)

86 Fox News is now reporting that Trump sexually assaulted Ken Bone.

And Ken Bone commented that he enjoyed it.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at October 14, 2016 04:59 PM (ej1L0)

87 36 . and they wonder why "good people wont get in to politics" or why people appreciate Trumps complete lack of self awareness and inability to feel embarrassment.

Because even some fat slob undecided dunce at a debate gets this kind of treatment. Yeah, lets embarrass the shit out of him! (also, they doxxed his comments on his vasectomy -- sweet guys, way to out his (possibly) embarrassing medical procedures too)
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at October 14, 2016 04:53 PM (cJrMO)

Question for the Lawyers of the Horde:

If you comment at a public event, does that make you a public figure? Do the media have the right to access your private information because of this?

Obviously the MFM does this regardless of legality, but would the affected person have standing to sue them for..something?? Because it seems to getting into all of that private information stinks of illegality.

And yes, this is why decent people don't go into politics. Nobody wants those despicable MFMers going through their drawers, so to speak.

Posted by: Moki at October 14, 2016 04:59 PM (VnCI9)

88 12, I am convinced my 2011 audit of my 2009 return that cost me 6700 dollars I didn't have was directly connected to my online activity.

Can't prove it, of course. This sure as hell isn't the country I swore to support and defend the Constitution of, that's for goddamned sure.

Posted by: Colonel Kurtz at October 14, 2016 04:59 PM (v68hm)

89 Tapper didnt' delete it i found it. It's now in the post.

Posted by: ace at October 14, 2016 04:57 PM (dciA+)

We'll give you top bunk in the camps, ace. In the 'ettes quarters.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at October 14, 2016 04:59 PM (928Aa)

90
Now I know who Ken Bone is, and I feel sorry for the guy.
Poor bastard is getting the Fascist treatment.
His only hope is to grovel to the Overlords, or flee to sanctuary with what is left of an Opposition.
Sucks to be not-Borg.

Posted by: tubal at October 14, 2016 04:55 PM (d6TTt)

GODDAMN RIGHT I WATCH PORN. YOU FUCKERS HAVE BEEN SAYING YAY HYPERSEXUALIZATION FOR YEARS, I'M JUST FOLLOWING YOUR LEAD, YOU COCKSUCKERS.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at October 14, 2016 04:59 PM (VTvvP)

CNNMoney?: Ken Bone leaves seedy comment trail on Reddit

The Daily Beast: Ken Bone's Disturbing Reddit History Shows.

Gizmodo.com: Ken Bone Forgot to Delete His Reddit Porn Comments.

Slate: What Ken Bone's Porn Preferences Tell Us.

Foxnews.com: Ken Bone linked to questionable past comments on Reddit

Engadget.com: Ken Bone may have violated FTC rules with Uber tweet

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at October 14, 2016 04:54 PM (kdS6q

This situation is frightening. This poor guy will probably be homeless and unable to find employment ever again

That's the end game and the coward never and anti Trump people are worse for not pushing back.

Posted by: Pepe, The Irredeemable at October 14, 2016 04:59 PM (B9BVe)

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at October 14, 2016 04:59 PM (jcSzd)

93 God help anyone here who decides to run for office in the future if the press reads our comments.

Posted by: L, Elle at October 14, 2016 04:58 PM (6IPEM)

Just to be safe, I may preemptively denounce some of the Horde in the coming weeks.

Posted by: Cicero -- Profoundly Deplorable But Pretty Dependable at October 14, 2016 04:59 PM (8ZskC)

Posted by: steevy at October 14, 2016 05:00 PM (fA75F)

95 Imagine if someone doxxed you on the hq and then assigned teams of "researchers" to read through every comment you ever made (which you thought were anonymous at the time) and reposted them without any context.

And for the uninformed, reddit gets kind of rowdy. Sort of like the hq. But there are a lot of things that are said that in context are clearly part of a running gag or joke, but out of context look like. well, look like you're seriously commenting on porn actresses.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at October 14, 2016 05:00 PM (cJrMO)

Posted by: James at October 14, 2016 05:00 PM (M9gRj)

97 It made such an impression on me I completely forgot that I'd watched it in order to write a reveiw of it, until you mentioned it.

Posted by: Teddy Roosevelt at October 14, 2016 05:00 PM (QQ+il)

98 46 Bad to the Bone.
Posted by: wth at October 14, 2016 04:54 PM

Sorry, bad beat. See numbah 27.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at October 14, 2016 05:00 PM (71st6)

99
It is quite the shocker that a man watched porn, I mean how rare that must be.

In the meantime, obama is trying to start a nuke war with Russia, no news there I guess CNN.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at October 14, 2016 05:00 PM (ODxAs)

100 Well, if Hillary does win. Good news for me, I know where I am moving : http://i.___ur.com/VJ0mSIH.jpg

probably safe for work, but highly fap worthy.

Posted by: Al Leppo at October 14, 2016 05:00 PM (vmsda)

101 "Jake Tapper tweeted -- and he maybe deleted it -- that people in the media who are themselves guilty of sexual harassment/abuse of women should perhaps take a lower profile in handling the Trump allegations."

Back in 1996, Don Imus delivered an infamous comedy routine at the White House Correspondents dinner. It was panned by nearly everyone as crossing a line in what he said about sitting President Bill:

"When Cal Ripken broke Lou Gehrig's consecutive games record, the President was at Camden Yards, doing play by play on the radio with John Miller. Bobby Bonilla hit a double and we all heard the President, in his obvious excitement, holler, "Go, Baby." And I remember commenting at the time, 'I bet that's not the first time he's said that.' Remember the Astroturf in the pickup? "

But the real reason for the outrage is that he went on to hit TV news talking heads. Here's an example:

"And then there's Peter Jennings who, we are told, more Americans get their news from than anyone else. And a man who freely admits that he cannot resist women. So, I'm thinking, 'There's Peter Jennings, sitting there each
evening, elegant, erudite and refined, and I'm wondering, what's under his desk? I mean, besides an intern?'"

Posted by: Ignoramus at October 14, 2016 05:00 PM (r1fLd)

102 Here's how this situation develops.

I'm working on some educational videos (coming 2017). I really like the idea, my angle, I'm providing great value, I'm satisfied.

But then I remember about the SJWs. And I know I'm going to experience blowback. Fine. My new model takes this into account and I'm actively working to piss these people off. That is now part of my brand.

And they cry and get upset over EVERYTHING!! Beautiful. I have a book where I jot down little video ideas, and I'm at about 300.

If I'm going to be forced to care, as ace puts it, I'm going to [email protected] do as much damage as possible to them. And that's not hard. that tuition bubble is so ready to pop. like all the rest of the bubbles.

Posted by: Stateless Infidel at October 14, 2016 05:00 PM (8GN8w)

103
It made such an impression on me I completely
forgot that I'd watched it in order to write a reveiw of it, until you
mentioned it.

Posted by: ace at October 14, 2016 04:58 PM (dciA+)

Thanks a lot Steevy, now another 3,000 word movie review.

Posted by: Nip Sip, the moron with two torn rotator cuffs at October 14, 2016 05:00 PM (NbJXF)

104 This stuff is black-letter law and invasion of privacy. "

How'd that work out for Jack Ryan?

Posted by: Anon a mouse. at October 14, 2016 05:01 PM (C9pBZ)

105 >>>By default your posts are public, so GO TO YOUR FACE BOOK PAGE AND CHANGE THE DEFAULT TO PRIVATE.

Posted by: Nip Sip at October 14, 2016 04:58 PM (NbJXF)>>>

No. Delete it. Better yet, build a time machine, go back in time, and kick your own ass for even contemplating creating an account.

Posted by: gm at October 14, 2016 05:01 PM (4ueYo)

106 Hot mic, hot take: Jim Nantz criticizes NFL players kneeling for the national anthem

Add Jim Nantz to the unperson list

Posted by: TheQuietMan at October 14, 2016 05:01 PM (493sH)

Posted by: steevy at October 14, 2016 05:01 PM (fA75F)

OK, what else is new? I am so glad I have saved $83/month by getting rid of my satellite TV reception even though I can only get one station downstairs now.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at October 14, 2016 05:01 PM (mpXpK)

Posted by: robert at October 14, 2016 05:02 PM (FXJ2V)

110 Posted by: IllTemperedCur at October 14, 2016 04:59 PM (VTvvP)

I'm definitely the double down type. I'd also ask anyone who wanted to join me to fire away at my critics.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at October 14, 2016 05:02 PM (jcSzd)

Posted by: Moki at October 14, 2016 05:02 PM (VnCI9)

112 Ken Bone, Joe the Plumber, & George Zimmerman walk into a bar.

(sorry, that's as far as I got)

Posted by: AltonJackson at October 14, 2016 05:02 PM (ZQfW9)

113 We have to have criminals and charlatans as leaders of this country. Who the hell else would want to be leaders of this country. We're sinking in debt, our vaunted Forth Estate is evidently voluntarily helping to undermine the country and attacking any who defend her like sharks in a feeding frenzy and conversely exalting everyone who tears her down. Absolutely nothing that we were taught about this country is now true - nothing.

And I'll say this again: It is entirely within the realm of possibility that this country is a bad actor on the global stage - doing actual harm in the service of a tiny few, few of whom are even citizens of this country.

This is a mess, and it sucks.

They wanted and want us unaware and compliant. We have been and many of us are, and I'm speaking for me as well, unaware. We might need to consider waking the fuck up.

Posted by: Mr Macca Bean (Make deplorable adorable again!) at October 14, 2016 05:02 PM (4ng05)

114 Posted by: Moki at October 14, 2016 04:59 PM (VnCI9)

*I am not a lawyer and am definitely not giving any kind of legal advice or in any way practicing law without a license**

Read new york times v sullivan and the following cases. I was kind of wondering the same thing myself, but I couldn't find a clear answer to this.

We do know, however, that a judge found george zimmerman to be a public figure when he sued good morning america for doctoring his tape.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at October 14, 2016 05:02 PM (cJrMO)

Posted by: Hillary Clinton at October 14, 2016 05:02 PM (X7E8f)

116 >>>oh i completely forgot: I rented that two days ago, then turned it off after twenty minutes. I forgot I rented it until late last night, then watched the rest of it.

It made such an impression on me I completely forgot that I'd watched it in order to write a reveiw of it, until you mentioned it.

Posted by: ace at October 14, 2016 04:58 PM (dciA+)>>>

At least you can plan to get banned from Twitter when you write your review. Something good will come of it . . .

Posted by: gm at October 14, 2016 05:02 PM (4ueYo)

117 Thanks a lot Steevy, now another 3,000 word movie review.

No probably only 2 words. It sucked.

Posted by: deplorable donna at October 14, 2016 05:03 PM (O2RFr)

118 It made such an impression on me I completely forgot that I'd watched it in order to write a reveiw of it, until you mentioned it.

Posted by: ace at October 14, 2016 04:58 PM (dciA+)

Posted by: Pug Mahon of the Clan Deplorable at October 14, 2016 05:03 PM (RwwCT)

Posted by: Robert Crawford at October 14, 2016 05:03 PM (ge2q2)

Posted by: MWTexas at October 14, 2016 05:03 PM (0dmP2)

Posted by: eleven at October 14, 2016 05:04 PM (qUNWi)

122 God help anyone here who decides to run for office in the future if the press reads our comments.

It was all fun and games while it lasted, wasn't it?

Won't stop with running for office, either.

By the way, anyone have any cosmoline?

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at October 14, 2016 05:04 PM (8IkOE)

123
I don't think a lot of people quite understand what's happening here: This is actually the overclass declaring war on anyone who does not swear fealty towards them.

**********************
I have always suspected this is how the left thinks and operates. But jeez regular everyday citizens now being openly destroyed by the media is breathtaking.

Posted by: T-Squared at October 14, 2016 05:04 PM (VkAIj)

124 So they think character assassination will get them votes?

I'm wondering where they believe this will get them?

I suppose many guys have watched porn and used foul language. Does that mean our opinion doesn't count ? Should we face the gallows and walk through a gauntlet of smears and insults before the political police burn us at the stake?

Boy, maybe he even believes in Jesus, that backwards, uncle fool.

Yeah but you know Trump is an alleged womanizer. Which would be worse for our country than these people.

Posted by: Marcus T at October 14, 2016 05:04 PM (5ojcM)

125 Fucking chihuahuas behind a fence yapping away.

Well, at least they're behind a fence where you can't see them abusing the dogs, and can only hear them talking about it.

Posted by: Oxford Comma at October 14, 2016 05:04 PM (71st6)

Posted by: wth at October 14, 2016 05:04 PM (HgMAr)

Posted by: Cicero -- Profoundly Deplorable But Pretty Dependable at October 14, 2016 05:04 PM (8ZskC)

128 I've become convinced by the way that Russia believes Hillary will start a war with them.

The odd thing here is that Putin has worked with the US on important issues - like identifying the marathon bombers ahead of time (which Obama ignored).

Our current allies in Syria have a less nuanced view of what they want to do here and in Europe.

Posted by: 18-1 at October 14, 2016 05:04 PM (X7E8f)

Posted by: gm at October 14, 2016 05:05 PM (4ueYo)

130 Ken Bone Ken Bone have you heard?
Obama's gonna buy you a mocking bird.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at October 14, 2016 05:05 PM (iFgwk)

131 And the media woder why the average American isn't more vocal about politics.
To the point of not even putting a sign in your front yard.*

*I walk a LOT in my neighborhood. I can recall seeing one sign. ONE.
A Trump sign at my asshole neighbor's across the street. After the first two were destroyed, he gave up & resorted to putting one inside - in the window - where nobody can even see it.

Posted by: Arnold Horshack at October 14, 2016 05:05 PM (BxEQl)

132 Um, Ace. I know we can't go back and post in an old thread. But, can we go back and delete comments from and old thread?

Posted by: Bruce at October 14, 2016 05:05 PM (8ikIW)

Posted by: 18-1 at October 14, 2016 05:05 PM (X7E8f)

Posted by: The Flying Monkeys at the New York Fucking Times at October 14, 2016 05:05 PM (qJhUV)

135 Or double down.
GODDAMN RIGHT I WATCH PORN. YOU FUCKERS HAVE BEEN SAYING YAY HYPERSEXUALIZATION FOR YEARS, I'M JUST FOLLOWING YOUR LEAD, YOU COCKSUCKERS.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at October 14, 2016 04:59 PM
******
I like this answer.
Everytime MeAgain does her concerned feminist shtick to attack Trump as being a mysogonist, I keep yelling at the tv for someone to remind her that she went on Stern and talked about her boobs and posed in near-lingerie for a photo shoot.

Posted by: L, Elle at October 14, 2016 05:06 PM (6IPEM)

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at October 14, 2016 05:06 PM (iFgwk)

137 You do know several members of the NY Times have DUI's and other such crimes. Simply get their name and plug it into any common easily googlable criminal record search.

Posted by: Mr Pink at October 14, 2016 05:06 PM (MlzHl)

Posted by: Anon a mouse. at October 14, 2016 05:06 PM (C9pBZ)

139
100 Well, if Hillary does win. Good news for me, I know where I am moving : http://i.___ur.com/VJ0mSIH.jpg

probably safe for work, but highly fap worthy.

Posted by: Al Leppo at October 14, 2016 05:00 PM (vmsda)

And yes, that's a common sight, at least is was back in '90 when I spent a fair amount of time there.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at October 14, 2016 05:06 PM (VTvvP)

140 I hate these fucking people so much. I have such a rage headache right now it's morphing into a migraine. I think I hate the media more than our asshole, blood-sucking politicians.

I'm beginning to think TJIC had the right idea.

Posted by: chiefjaybob, who hates everyone at October 14, 2016 05:06 PM (G2Sc9)

Posted by: steevy at October 14, 2016 05:06 PM (fA75F)

Posted by: gm at October 14, 2016 05:06 PM (4ueYo)

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at October 14, 2016 05:07 PM (39g3+)

144 112 Ken Bone, Joe the Plumber, & George Zimmerman walk into a bar.

(sorry, that's as far as I got)
Posted by: AltonJackson at October 14, 2016 05:02 PM (ZQfW9)

The bartender says' hurry up and order . You only have 15 minutes. '

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at October 14, 2016 05:07 PM (jcSzd)

145 I'm wondering where they believe this will get them?

The nail that sticks out gets hammered down.

When I was growing up in my old banana republic, if you wanted to say anything political that wasn't the party line, you looked around first and whispered it. That's what they want.

Posted by: Votermom the deplorable @vm on gab at October 14, 2016 05:07 PM (Om16U)

Posted by: 18-1 at October 14, 2016 05:07 PM (X7E8f)

Posted by: Beth M at October 14, 2016 05:07 PM (kiy9d)

148 No. Delete it. Better yet, build a time machine, go back in time, and kick your own ass for even contemplating creating an account.

Posted by: gm at October 14, 2016 05:01 PM (4ueYo)
.

I must have already done that because I have never had an account.
Er. wait. Huh. This may take a minute.

Posted by: wth at October 14, 2016 05:07 PM (HgMAr)

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at October 14, 2016 05:07 PM (cJrMO)

150 142 So. Uh. When will ace wipe those archives to save us from internment? Sooner the better.

Posted by: deplorable donna at October 14, 2016 05:07 PM (O2RFr)

151 I like ace's movie reviews.

Posted by: eleven at October 14, 2016 05:07 PM (qUNWi)

152 Everyone deserves to have their 15 minutes of fame hate.

Posted by: Your Courageous Media at October 14, 2016 05:07 PM (R+30W)

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at October 14, 2016 05:08 PM (89T5c)

There are many things that I would like to say to you
But I don't know how

I said maybe
You're gonna be the one that saves me
And after all
You're my wonderwall

Posted by: artisanal 'ette All Out 90's at October 14, 2016 05:08 PM (qCMvj)

Posted by: Evilpens at October 14, 2016 05:08 PM (y3aQB)

Posted by: Ben Had at October 14, 2016 05:08 PM (WqkK3)

157 "I don't think a lot of people quite understand what's happening here: This is actually the overclass declaring war on anyone who does not swear fealty towards them."

I think overclass gives them too much credit? These are nothing but high school gossip queens. and that is literal in case of the Gizmodo article. that do not fear retribution. Want it to stop? Give them the retribution they deserve. And yeah, it means exactly what it sounds like.

Posted by: Resist We Much at October 14, 2016 05:08 PM (o+nZ+)

158 Height of sliminess: if they dox him.

Return the favor. Dox everyone they've ever know back to the third grade.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 14, 2016 05:08 PM (2hlqN)

159 _Posted by: gm at October 14, 2016 05:06 PM (4ueYo)_

Posted by: kallisto at October 14, 2016 05:08 PM (nNdYv)

160 This situation is frightening. This poor guy will probably be homeless and unable to find employment ever again

That's the end game and the coward never and anti Trump people are worse for not pushing back.
Posted by: Pepe, The Irredeemable at October 14, 2016 04:59 PM (B9BVe)

I feel like I"m living in 1939 Poland and the only thing that hasn't happened yet is these targets of the media haven't been dragged out of their beds and shot in the street to teach the population a lesson.

Posted by: Jen the original at October 14, 2016 05:08 PM (ntZAP)

161 111 Nope-CBD's Food Thread. It's not "all vegan all the time," therefore it's bad for you.
Posted by: MokI
----------------

I was hoping for soup this week. Vagitarian or not.

Posted by: Arnold Horshack at October 14, 2016 05:08 PM (BxEQl)

Posted by: washrivergal madly and deeply deplorable at October 14, 2016 05:09 PM (CFc5L)

Posted by: gutter slut at October 14, 2016 05:09 PM (1H9ox)

164 carrying water ON KDKA News In Pgh"

Trump reportedly molested Myron Cope!

Posted by: Anon a mouse. at October 14, 2016 05:09 PM (C9pBZ)

Posted by: Votermom the deplorable @vm on gab at October 14, 2016 05:09 PM (Om16U)

166 Or double down.
GODDAMN RIGHT I WATCH PORN. YOU FUCKERS HAVE BEEN SAYING YAY HYPERSEXUALIZATION FOR YEARS, I'M JUST FOLLOWING YOUR LEAD, YOU COCKSUCKERS.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at October 14, 2016 04:59 PM
******
I like this answer.
Everytime MeAgain does her concerned feminist shtick to attack Trump as being a mysogonist, I keep yelling at the tv for someone to remind her that she went on Stern and talked about her boobs and posed in near-lingerie for a photo shoot.

Posted by: L, Elle at October 14, 2016 05:06 PM (6IPEM)

don't get me started on MeAgain.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette All Out 90's at October 14, 2016 05:09 PM (qCMvj)

Posted by: Mr Macca Bean (Make deplorable adorable again!) at October 14, 2016 05:10 PM (4ng05)

The nail that sticks out gets hammered down.

Also causes lock jaw when you step on it.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 14, 2016 05:10 PM (2hlqN)

169
Height of sliminess: if they dox him.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at October 14, 2016 05:06 PM (iFgwk)

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at October 14, 2016 05:10 PM (VTvvP)

Posted by: zombie at October 14, 2016 05:10 PM (jBuUi)

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at October 14, 2016 05:10 PM (39g3+)

172 like this answer.
Everytime MeAgain does her concerned feminist shtick to attack Trump as being a mysogonist, I keep yelling at the tv for someone to remind her that she went on Stern and talked about her boobs and posed in near-lingerie for a photo shoot.

Posted by: L, Elle at October 14, 2016 05:06 PM (6IPEM)

And repeats that fashion show nightly on her show.

Posted by: Jen the original at October 14, 2016 05:10 PM (ntZAP)

173 "Imagine if someone doxxed you on the hq and then assigned teams of "researchers" to read through every comment you ever made (which you thought were anonymous at the time) and reposted them without any context."

Been there, done that, as part of the saga of he-who-wont-be-named.

One of his butt buddies considered adding me to one of his lolsuits, so dug up my name (it's on my domain name registration -- real hard to find). Then he found an abusive cease-and-desist letter I had been sent, and that I contributed to the EFF's "Chilling Effects" archive. So turd-roller spins that into ME doing something wrong.

Yeah, turd-roller is all-in for Hitlary. Surprised? All the fascists work from the same book, just at different speeds.

Posted by: Robert Crawford at October 14, 2016 05:10 PM (ge2q2)

174 I was hoping for soup this week. Vagitarian or not.
Posted by: Arnold Horshack at October 14, 2016 05:08 PM (BxEQl)

Posted by: artisanal 'ette All Out 90's at October 14, 2016 05:10 PM (qCMvj)

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at October 14, 2016 05:10 PM (iFgwk)

Gawker said Trump groped Ken Bone

Posted by: Votermom the deplorable @vm on gab at October 14, 2016 05:10 PM (Om16U)

177 Trump reportedly molested Myron Cope!

Posted by: Al Leppo at October 14, 2016 05:11 PM (vmsda)

178 Good ol' Dana Perino. Scolding the men who are "defending" Trump.

Go give Jeb a hug. I'm sure he needs one.

And husband and I are off to grab dinner and more than one cocktail. What a sucky few weeks.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at October 14, 2016 05:11 PM (928Aa)

179 79 Just a note for the Horde. I have a fake face book account and I checked the privacy settings.

By default your posts are public, so GO TO YOUR FACE BOOK PAGE AND CHANGE THE DEFAULT TO PRIVATE.

Private or not, you know team Zuckerberg will gladly collaborate with a corrupt justice dept/homeland security dept. to proactively identify all "troublesome, and potentially seditious" wrong-think content.

Any content you put on Facebook is theirs. And based on their behavior to date, it is also just self-creating a dossier for whatever the progressive government creates as the next "ministry for state security."

Posted by: moronhorde minion at October 14, 2016 05:11 PM (hKDRi)

Posted by: Michael at October 14, 2016 05:11 PM (KClXw)

Posted by: 18-1 at October 14, 2016 05:12 PM (X7E8f)

182 72 Oh good news,you can now rent gyno Ghostbusters on demand!
Posted by: steevy at October 14, 2016 04:57 PM (fA75F)

I think you mean "Ghynobusters"

Posted by: I Smell Something Rotten at October 14, 2016 05:12 PM (ctO3Z)

183 By the way -- check out Drudge.

I, for one, am excited that google will now be taking it upon themselves to "fact check" news stories to help us separate "fact from fiction".

That will definitely help them keep market share.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at October 14, 2016 05:12 PM (cJrMO)

Posted by: Chi at October 14, 2016 05:12 PM (BxEQl)

185
Stop the world -- I want to kick everyone else off.

********************
You gotta let me stay cuz I feel the same way.

Posted by: T-Squared at October 14, 2016 05:12 PM (VkAIj)

Good day, neighbor. Yes, Jon Delano is a first rate shitbag.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at October 14, 2016 05:12 PM (89T5c)

Posted by: ajmojo at October 14, 2016 05:12 PM (1H9ox)

188
When I was growing up in my old banana republic,
if you wanted to say anything political that wasn't the party line, you
looked around first and whispered it. That's what they want.

Posted by: Votermom the deplorable @vm on gab at October 14, 2016 05:07 PM (Om16U)

That only works for a little while and then people get fed up and angry.
We've had politicians shot and killed in the last while and a journalist had a bullet put through her head on air. I didn't give a crap. I might have even gotten a little thrill.

This crap only ends badly for them.

Posted by: Stateless Infidel at October 14, 2016 05:13 PM (8GN8w)

Posted by: ajmojo at October 14, 2016 05:13 PM (1H9ox)

190 The usual suspects any time a new outrage is needed:

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at October 14, 2016 05:13 PM (39g3+)

Posted by: Stu Podaso at October 14, 2016 05:14 PM (mPyCN)

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at October 14, 2016 05:14 PM (89T5c)

193 Good ol' Dana Perino. Scolding the men who are "defending" Trump.

Go give Jeb a hug. I'm sure he needs one.
.

And it's time for Jasper's peanut butter treat.

Posted by: wth at October 14, 2016 05:14 PM (HgMAr)

194 Ken Bone, Joe the Plumber, & George Zimmerman walk into a bar.

(sorry, that's as far as I got)
Posted by: AltonJackson at October 14, 2016 05:02 PM (ZQfW9)

Joe was 1st.
Ken was 19th.
George was 2nd.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette All Out 90's at October 14, 2016 05:14 PM (qCMvj)

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at October 14, 2016 05:14 PM (yZefC)

Posted by: A deplorable dude in MI at October 14, 2016 05:14 PM (0LQ4f)

197 Think about this. The Kennedy's fucked their way around the country and the MSM said NOTHING about it.

Teddy fcked women under restaurant tables. NOTHING.

Bobby got BJ in the White House pool. NOTHING.

Posted by: Nip Sip, the moron with two torn rotator cuffs at October 14, 2016 05:14 PM (NbJXF)

Posted by: Lurkity Lurker at October 14, 2016 05:14 PM (N8QQm)

Posted by: steevy at October 14, 2016 05:15 PM (fA75F)

200 Obviously, because the ugly doxxing/sliming/etc. happened to Joe the Plumber, this sort of things pre-dates the 2016 election. But it fits in really well with the media's decision to declare that it's jettisoning objectivity because the 2016 GOP candidate is just too dangerous.

The press has decided that Trump must be destroyed. If Trump is dangerous enough that you're justified in throwing away any pretense of journalistic objectivity, then he's also dangerous to go after *anyone* who does *anything* to help him get elected - no matter how small - hammer and tongs.

Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at October 14, 2016 05:15 PM (xN1DB)

201 "GO TO YOUR FACE BOOK PAGE AND CHANGE THE DEFAULT TO PRIVATE."

Anyone with a Facebook account, even a fake-name account, is implicitly funding and subsidizing the worst abuses by the left.

Posted by: torquewrench at October 14, 2016 05:15 PM (noWW6)

202
NO soup for you!
Posted by: artisanal 'ette
----------------

I've been craving egg drop lately, and will eventually learn to make it. I think I have amassed all the ingredients, but will check on Sunday to see if you have a killer, foolproof recipe.
Hint, hint.

Posted by: Chi at October 14, 2016 05:15 PM (BxEQl)

203 Good ol' Dana Perino. Scolding the men who are "defending" Trump.

Go give Jeb a hug. I'm sure he needs one.

And husband and I are off to grab dinner and more than one cocktail. What a sucky few weeks.

Later.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at October 14, 2016 05:11 PM (928Aa)

Don't get me started on Perino.
She is the reason I no longer watch The Five.

Have a nice evening. We all deserve it. Every night.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette All Out 90's at October 14, 2016 05:15 PM (qCMvj)

204 Stop the world -- I want to kick everyone else off.

********************
You gotta let me stay cuz I feel the same way.

Posted by: T-Squared at October 14, 2016 05:12 PM (VkAIj)
.

Maybe, but we're talking EXTREME EXTREME vetting.

Posted by: wth at October 14, 2016 05:16 PM (HgMAr)

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at October 14, 2016 05:16 PM (39g3+)

206 Remember They went after people that gave money that was against gay marriage in California. I remember there was some poor waiter that they went after and wanted the restaurant to fire him or they would boycott the restaurant.

there is no way I would ever give money anymore that could be traced back to me.

Posted by: Patrick from Ohio at October 14, 2016 05:16 PM (dKiJG)

Posted by: George LeS at October 14, 2016 05:16 PM (+TcCF)

Posted by: ThunderB at October 14, 2016 05:17 PM (CgrKm)

Posted by: wooga at October 14, 2016 05:17 PM (QlC+L)

210 Way OT but the WWII references reminded me, I was looking up the winners of the tennis Grand Slams and the French Open was held every year during the war. That's messed up.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at October 14, 2016 05:17 PM (jcSzd)

211 173 "Imagine if someone doxxed you on the hq and then assigned teams of "researchers" to read through every comment you ever made (which you thought were anonymous at the time) and reposted them without any context."

I was hacked. Since my hash is assigned by AT&T LTE and not a static isp, prove it was me and not one of your flacks sitting outside my office building.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 14, 2016 05:17 PM (2hlqN)

212 Good ol' Dana Perino. Scolding the men who are "defending" Trump.

Really. I'm so ashamed.
Now show me your tits. And make me a bacon sandwich.

Posted by: tu3031 at October 14, 2016 05:18 PM (qJhUV)

213 I've been craving egg drop lately, and will eventually learn to make it. I think I have amassed all the ingredients, but will check on Sunday to see if you have a killer, foolproof recipe.
Hint, hint.
Posted by: Chi at October 14, 2016 05:15 PM (BxEQl)

heh. If I'm around, I'll link/list a good one. (might have to go to inlaws - very far lefty nytimes subscription nitwits

Here's the one I made recently:

Spiced Broth With Roasted Acorn Squash & Kale

1 acorn squash, peeled, seeded, and cubed
3 T olive oil
salt and freshly ground pepper
1/ 4 lb ( 125 g ) thick-cut bacon, cut into 1/ 2 - inch pieces
1 white onion, finely minced
2 garlic cloves, minced
1 tsp allspice
1/ 2 tsp grated nutmeg
1/ 4 tsp ground cinnamon
1 bunch kale, ribs removed, and leaves cut crosswise into 1/ 2 - inch strips
6 cups chicken broth ( 48 fl oz/1.5 l )

In 400 degree oven, roast squash (cubes tossed in 2 T olive oil, salt and pepper and placed on a baking sheet that is lined with parchment paper).
Roast for about 20 minutes until tender but not mushy.

In a large heavy pot, cook and crisp the bacon (about 10 mins over med - med/hi heat), then remove to drain on paper towels.

Add the remaining 1 T of olive oil to the pot with the bacon grease, then add and saute the onion, garlic, allspice, nutmeg and cinnamon, stirring frequently until the onion is soft ( 5 - 7 minutes ).

Add the kale and roasted squash cubes, stir to coat, and cook for 3 minutes.

Add broth then simmer for 10 minutes.

Stir in bacon pieces and season with more salt and pepper.

From Williams-Sonoma Soup of the Day: 365 Recipes for Every Day of the Year

Posted by: artisanal 'ette All Out 90's at October 14, 2016 05:18 PM (qCMvj)

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 14, 2016 05:18 PM (39g3+)

Posted by: Grump928(c) at October 14, 2016 05:18 PM (QQ+il)

Um, I was infiltrating feelthy rightwinger hate sites to mess with them.

Um, my cat did it. My ex-cate. It left.

Posted by: Votermom the deplorable @vm on gab at October 14, 2016 05:18 PM (Om16U)

Posted by: steevy at October 14, 2016 05:19 PM (fA75F)

218 Smartest things I ever did was intentionally NEVER get an account for

-- Facebook
-- Twitter
-- GMail
-- Google in general
-- Yahoo

..and the accounts I do have for Apple and few other corporate giants are all double-anonymous and not under my real name or with any real email address,

As far as I know, there is only ONE person in the world who knows that "I" am zombie, and that is the accounts-payable woman at the Web-hosting company that keeps zombietime online (because I necessarily had to give her a credit card number to pay the monthly hosting fee). Even in that case I purposely used a business credit card, but if she were inclined to do a bit of snooping I think she could uncovered my real name therefrom.

But of course I'd sue the pants off the company if they ever breached that info, so I doubt they'll ever do it. (Plus, the whole point is, as far as I know it's a libertarian/conservative-leaning Web-hosting company, which is why I chose them). I don't even think anyone there other than the accounts-payable chick knows the card info -- I specified that it would remain absolutely secret when I signed up, and she agreed.

Posted by: zombie at October 14, 2016 05:19 PM (jBuUi)

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at October 14, 2016 05:19 PM (ODxAs)

220 195 Where's iforgot been lately?
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Posted by: Chi at October 14, 2016 05:19 PM (BxEQl)

221 "Teddy fcked women under restaurant tables. NOTHING."

The intrepid captain of the submarine USS _Oldsmobile_ also teamed up with another prominent Democrat, Chris Dodd, to subject a luckless female cocktail server to what Kennedy and Dodd laughably called "a waitress sandwich".

To wit, her getting rudely and unconsentingly squeezed in between the two potbellied asshats. Response from the ever-alert guard dogs of the American news media?

Posted by: torquewrench at October 14, 2016 05:19 PM (noWW6)

222 Anyone with a Facebook account, even a fake-name account, is implicitly funding and subsidizing the worst abuses by the left.

Good gawd, everyone's Facebook hair is on fire.

FB is a perfectly nice place where you can keep in touch with friends from various walks of life, see who has gone loony, and stay connected with the good ex-girlfriends who might share their mishes with you again.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at October 14, 2016 05:19 PM (mgbwf)

Make chicken soup.
Drop a beaten egg in it in the last minute.

Posted by: Votermom the deplorable @vm on gab at October 14, 2016 05:19 PM (Om16U)

224 "I was hacked. Since my hash is assigned by AT&T LTE and not a static isp, prove it was me and not one of your flacks sitting outside my office building"

So cute you think there will be due process.

Posted by: Robert Crawford at October 14, 2016 05:19 PM (ge2q2)

225 _Posted by: ThunderB at October 14, 2016 05:17 PM (CgrKm)_

Posted by: kallisto at October 14, 2016 05:20 PM (nNdYv)

226 So..Independent Journal Review has an article detailing an email in the hacked Hillary Campaign dump that shows how Clinton Advisors were plotting the best way to pressure the Supreme Court to not rule against Obama care in King vs.Burwell.

Posted by: Jen the original at October 14, 2016 05:20 PM (ntZAP)

227 prove it was me and not one of your flacks sitting outside my office building.

Proof? The FBI will manufacture all the CSI proof they need if you become .. troublesome.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at October 14, 2016 05:20 PM (QQ+il)

228 Um, my cat did it. My ex-cate. It left.

You were married to Cate Blanchett?

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at October 14, 2016 05:20 PM (iFgwk)

229 The Politics of Personal Destruction.

With the Left, and Media. we can no longer just disagree, they feel we must be destroyed.

Which means, we must out of self preservation, fight back.

Posted by: Don Q, , singing the Songs of Angry Men at October 14, 2016 05:21 PM (qf6WZ)

230 You gotta let me stay cuz I feel the same way.
Posted by: T-Squared at October 14, 2016 05:12 PM (VkAIj)

Posted by: artisanal 'ette All Out 90's at October 14, 2016 05:21 PM (qCMvj)

Posted by: wth at October 14, 2016 05:21 PM (HgMAr)

Oasis
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hzrDeceEKc
Posted by: artisanal 'ette All Out 90's at October 14, 2016
****
That's a good one. I like that song!
No srsly, if Ken Bone isn't safe, no one is. Even AllenG amd Fenelon are compromised by comments they have made here.

Posted by: L, Elle at October 14, 2016 05:21 PM (6IPEM)

233 You were married to Cate Blanchett?
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at October 14, 2016 05:20 PM (iFgwk)

Posted by: Votermom the deplorable @vm on gab at October 14, 2016 05:21 PM (Om16U)

234 I'd have no idea how to do it, but surely there are some who could run down the activities of some major MSM figures and give them the Weiner treatment.

Oh, if there was even one super rich guy on the right who was willing to spring for the expense we could get it done in a matter of months. By the end of the year, we could have a dossier on every one of them and just pile it out every single time they pull some crap.

But it takes money, and money you don't make back. Its not an investment, so none of those alleged conservative billionaire types and supposedly right-leaning celebrities are remotely interested in putting out the cash.

I worked for a website for a while, writing content for them. It paid okay, but suddenly one month, they just were closed. They didn't pay me for my last few articles. The guy that was running the site was screwed out of thousands of dollars. Because it wasn't making money.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 14, 2016 05:21 PM (39g3+)

235 "I was hacked. Since my hash is assigned by AT&T LTE and not a static isp, prove it was me and not one of your flacks sitting outside my office building"

So cute you think there will be due process.

At that point, all that's left is the trigger pulling.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 14, 2016 05:21 PM (2hlqN)

236 Um, I was infiltrating feelthy rightwinger hate sites to mess with them.

No, you were doing "research". Like the pedophiles always say when they get bagged at the kiddie porn sites.

Posted by: tu3031 at October 14, 2016 05:22 PM (qJhUV)

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at October 14, 2016 05:22 PM (QlyN5)

As much as I like Kevin Kline, I'd beat him to death with his own arm if she'd love me.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 14, 2016 05:22 PM (39g3+)

239 "Zimmerman was a lefty Obama voter and it didn't save him."

The Revolution devours its children and its creators alike.

The coterie of Old Bolsheviks who had been displaced from power and later arrested by Stalin could not believe it as they were led away in irons by chekists, to be shot in the backs of their heads after their show trials.

How could this be *happening*? Happening to *them*?

Posted by: torquewrench at October 14, 2016 05:22 PM (noWW6)

240 Posted by: Moki at October 14, 2016 04:59 PM (VnCI9)

I'm no lawyer, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express at some point. Hulk Hogan did quite a number on Gawker, and he's a pretty public figure.

Posted by: Stu Podaso at October 14, 2016 05:22 PM (mPyCN)

Posted by: fly gal at October 14, 2016 05:22 PM (8TdcF)

Posted by: Al Leppo at October 14, 2016 05:23 PM (vmsda)

Posted by: Yo! at October 14, 2016 05:23 PM (kPpxr)

244 So..Independent Journal Review has an article detailing an email in the hacked Hillary Campaign dump that shows how Clinton Advisors were plotting the best way to pressure the Supreme Court to not rule against Obama care in King vs.Burwell.

http://tinyurl.com/hna6paw
Posted by: Jen the original at October 14, 2016 05:20 PM (ntZAP)

if that what it took to shake Roberts down, then he's a p*ssy

I don't believe that was all of it.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette All Out 90's at October 14, 2016 05:23 PM (qCMvj)

245 As per the horde's advice yesterday I ran malwarebytes and it did wonders. Thanks.

Posted by: washrivergal madly and deeply deplorable at October 14, 2016 05:24 PM (CFc5L)

Posted by: wth at October 14, 2016 05:24 PM (HgMAr)

247
Good ol' Dana Perino. Scolding the men who are "defending" Trump.

She was really something, before menopause hit.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at October 14, 2016 05:24 PM (kdS6q)

248 "FB is a perfectly nice place"

Run by perfectly evil people.

Who will provide you with a "perfectly nice" experience right up until you try to publish opinions with which they disagree.

Posted by: torquewrench at October 14, 2016 05:24 PM (noWW6)

Posted by: ThunderB at October 14, 2016 05:24 PM (CgrKm)

250 I was hacked. Since my hash is assigned by AT&T LTE and not a static isp, prove it was me and not one of your flacks sitting outside my office building.
Posted by: rickb223 at October 14, 2016 05:17 PM (2hlqN)

It's not about proving anything. It's the allegation that matters.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at October 14, 2016 05:24 PM (cJrMO)

Posted by: Mr Macca Bean (Make deplorable adorable again!) at October 14, 2016 05:25 PM (4ng05)

252 I saw his Jimmy Kimmel clip and thought he was an o.k. guy. He had tons of regular-guy composure.

In that clip, he was right on coal ("Donald Trump maybe is more in line with my economic interests, because I work in coal/electricity"). He was wrong on the Supreme Court (that Trump will appoint justices who will reverse the right to marriage equality).

I thought he'd be suadable.

Posted by: m at October 14, 2016 05:25 PM (/4GEs)

Posted by: 16 Paranoia Filled Days Later at October 14, 2016 05:26 PM (x4zgf)

Posted by: Votermom the deplorable @vm on gab at October 14, 2016 05:26 PM (Om16U)

The Narrative requires human sacrifice

Posted by: ThunderB at October 14, 2016 05:26 PM (CgrKm)

256 Oh, if there was even one super rich guy on the right who was willing to spring for the expense we could get it done in a matter of months. By the end of the year, we could have a dossier on every one of them and just pile it out every single time they pull some crap.

But it takes money, and money you don't make back. Its not an investment, so none of those alleged conservative billionaire types and supposedly right-leaning celebrities are remotely interested in putting out the cash.

I worked for a website for a while, writing content for them. It paid okay, but suddenly one month, they just were closed. They didn't pay me for my last few articles. The guy that was running the site was screwed out of thousands of dollars. Because it wasn't making money.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 14, 2016 05:21 PM (39g3+)

Do you know who Michelle Malkin's original backers were for Hot Air?

Posted by: Pepe, The Irredeemable at October 14, 2016 05:26 PM (B9BVe)

Posted by: L, Elle at October 14, 2016 05:27 PM (6IPEM)

258 It's not about proving anything. It's the allegation that matters.

Stsly? Because I saw Matt Lauer blowing homeless guys in Central Park.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 14, 2016 05:27 PM (2hlqN)

Posted by: Chi at October 14, 2016 05:27 PM (BxEQl)

Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at October 14, 2016 05:27 PM (lKyWE)

Posted by: BourbonChicken at October 14, 2016 05:27 PM (VdICR)

262 A) Porn is hip and cool and liberating and all that other shit, and its only an issue now that they need to destroy him.

B) His real crime is being a little person with badthink.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at October 14, 2016 05:27 PM (QlyN5)

263
Thats what I figure, it doesn't really matter what I say on the net, if they track me down and couldn't find something to sjw me about (which they should easily be able to do), they would just make it up. It doesn't matter, they are fighting a war for their leftist religion and do whatever they need to.

They don't care if they get scolded and called hypocrites, somebody had a thought crime and by golly needs to be destroyed.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at October 14, 2016 05:28 PM (ODxAs)

264 I'm no lawyer, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express at some point. Hulk Hogan did quite a number on Gawker, and he's a pretty public figure.
Posted by: Stu Podaso at October 14, 2016 05:22 PM (mPyCN)

That was different. We're talking about libel and defamation, not violating privacy or whatever it was Hulk sued for.

Basically, if someone is a public figure, a newspaper can say whatever they want about him, and the person has the burden of proof in a lawsuit that
a) it was untrue
b) the newspaper KNEW it was untrue and acted with malice.

Obviously b) goes to state of mind, which is . well, nearly impossible to prove in a situation like that.

So NY Times can print "Donald Trump pussy grabbed some woman 30 years ago" and Trump has to not only prove that he didn't (how do you prove a negative unless he has some kind of receipts or something showing he wasn't anywhere near the plane at the time in question) AND that NY Times knew or should have known it was not true and yet ran the story out of maliciousness anyways.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at October 14, 2016 05:28 PM (cJrMO)

Posted by: Marcus T at October 14, 2016 05:28 PM (5ojcM)

266 #15 The Sun reports that Trump once groped the Queen.

Posted by: Miley's Deplorables, Standard Redneck at October 14, 2016 05:28 PM (L2UGl)

267 Fuck them. Dont care. War.

Posted by: ThunderB at October 14, 2016 05:17 PM

I love the way you think, ThunderB.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at October 14, 2016 05:29 PM (bzd8I)

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 14, 2016 05:29 PM (EnGQE)

269 She was really something, before menopause hit.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at October 14, 2016 05:24 PM (kdS6q)

I think the pressure of her non-watched show is taking its toll.

If she only understood why.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette All Out 90's at October 14, 2016 05:29 PM (qCMvj)

Posted by: 16 Paranoia Filled Days Later at October 14, 2016 05:29 PM (x4zgf)

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at October 14, 2016 05:29 PM (QlyN5)

272 And Mr. Bone the undecided just went from a undecided voter to a Trump voter.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 14, 2016 05:29 PM (EnGQE)

Posted by: artisanal 'ette All Out 90's at October 14, 2016 05:29 PM (qCMvj)

273 Will try that, but my last attempt resulted in a scrambled, poached egg.

You got to mix it a lot as you put it in so it breaks apart. I use a fork but I guess a whisk would be cooler.

Posted by: Votermom the deplorable @vm on gab at October 14, 2016 05:29 PM (Om16U)

274 In case you hadn't seen, and it may have been posted previously, but for you lovers of the poll, I'm pretty sure these type emails don't get floated to the Trump campaign:

Posted by: Country Singer (gab @BertG) at October 14, 2016 05:30 PM (GUBah)

275 217 Zimmerman was a lefty Obama voter and it didn't save him.Paula Dean was too iirc.
Posted by: steevy at October 14, 2016 05:19 PM (fA75F)

Yes, but she told the truth about Michelle's greediness around free food. Can't let people tell the truth about our betters.

Posted by: nerdygirl at October 14, 2016 05:30 PM (+lVUW)

Posted by: Brendan at October 14, 2016 05:30 PM (TViuc)

Posted by: ThunderB at October 14, 2016 05:30 PM (CgrKm)

278 Ace, if you talk to Ed or Allah, I'd enjoy hearing a dying political site's excuses for why these attacks are awesome and how facebook helps promote more open political discussions.
Posted by: 16 Paranoia Filled Days Later at October 14, 2016 05:29 PM (x4zgf)

Posted by: artisanal 'ette All Out 90's at October 14, 2016 05:30 PM (qCMvj)

279 carrying water ON KDKA News In Pgh"

Trump reportedly molested Myron Cope! YOI. & DOUBLE YOI .

Posted by: Evilpens at October 14, 2016 05:31 PM (y3aQB)

280 If I ever get a chance to be in a town hall I'm going to tell them my name is Dick Hurts

I will never be in a town hall. As it is, at some point my FB will be shut down for "hate speech."

Ah, the good old days, when people had the sense to keep their names and faces off the internetz.

Posted by: Miley's Deplorables, Standard Redneck at October 14, 2016 05:31 PM (L2UGl)

281 248 "FB is a perfectly nice place"

Run by perfectly evil people.

Who will provide you with a "perfectly nice" experience right up until you try to publish opinions with which they disagree.
Posted by: torquewrench at October 14, 2016 05:24 PM (noWW6)

Mark Zuckerberg has said many times that people are stupid for providing and trusting him with their information.

He has hates people and hates Trump supporters and Christians. And yet they remain on Facebook.

Posted by: Pepe, The Irredeemable at October 14, 2016 05:31 PM (B9BVe)

Posted by: washrivergal madly and deeply deplorable at October 14, 2016 05:31 PM (CFc5L)

Posted by: ThunderB at October 14, 2016 05:31 PM (CgrKm)

284 Debt is over 20 trillion, and getting worse, but the left has crowed about how the deficit was shrinking under Obama's genius leadership.

Well it spiked up 34% over the last year.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 14, 2016 05:31 PM (39g3+)

285 Dana Perino is really getting to be unwatchable now. She was defending Donna Brazille the other day on the Five about giving Hillz the death penalty question. Her defense was basically I know Donna Brazille well and she would never do that, which was how dumbass Juan Williams defended Donna Brazille as well.

Idk, Dana Perino seems kind of dumb to me.

Posted by: L, Elle at October 14, 2016 05:32 PM (6IPEM)

286 >>>36 .(also, they doxxed his comments on his vasectomy -- sweet guys, way to out his (possibly) embarrassing medical procedures too)
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at October 14, 2016 04:53 PM (cJrMO)

Are you serious? I'll go look this up.
Surely this makes the bad guys look bad.

Posted by: m at October 14, 2016 05:32 PM (/4GEs)

287 Obama, the Nobel Peace Prize president, has been at war his entire presidency and the world has gotten more dangerous and closer to global war than any time in my life.

And people are trying to elect his successor for his third term.

Posted by: Mr Macca Bean (Make deplorable adorable again!) at October 14, 2016 05:32 PM (4ng05)

288 274 In case you hadn't seen, and it may have been posted previously, but for you lovers of the poll, I'm pretty sure these type emails don't get floated to the Trump campaign:

https://tinyurl.com/gnwwhpa
Posted by: Country Singer (gab @BertG) at October 14, 2016 05:30 PM (GUBah)

Notice that the person who FWDed the poll to Podesta worked at Morgan Stanley and (idiot) used his Morgan Stanley email address. Apparently he was some former Obama admin dope.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at October 14, 2016 05:32 PM (cJrMO)

289 268
And Mr. Bone the undecided just went from a undecided voter to a Trump voter.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 14, 2016 05:29 PM (EnGQE)

I saw a clip of him being interviewed on CNN the day after the debate. I believe he said he was 'leaning Hillary'. I think he may just be leaning the other way now.

Posted by: Tami. Powering through being a depolorable at October 14, 2016 05:32 PM (Enq6K)

Posted by: ThunderB at October 14, 2016 05:33 PM (CgrKm)

Posted by: Yo! at October 14, 2016 05:33 PM (kPpxr)

292 >> yeah, ace, any way you can get the pixy hamsters to make our comments un googleable?

So an Ewok offers to take some hamsters on a canoe ride. Takes them to the middle of the lake and throws them and some weapons overboard.

"Why??" they ask, clinging bitterly to their guns and a Bible that appeared out of nowhere.

"It's those damn Democrats," he replies. "Well, and it's my nature. But mostly the Democrats."

Posted by: MFM at October 14, 2016 05:33 PM (gTQoY)

293 All my friends are heathens dont you know.

Posted by: ThunderB at October 14, 2016 05:30 PM (CgrKm)
.

basically irredeemable I'm sure.

Posted by: wth at October 14, 2016 05:34 PM (HgMAr)

294 Obama casually admitted his desire to "spread the wealth around,"

There was also his (marxist) classic:

"It's not that I want to punish your success"

which I think was even more illuminating.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at October 14, 2016 05:34 PM (zc3Db)

295 Well, that just doesn't make any sense posted by "MFM" now does it?

*throws sock overboard too*

Posted by: Mama AJ at October 14, 2016 05:34 PM (gTQoY)

296 284
Debt is over 20 trillion, and getting worse, but the left has crowed
about how the deficit was shrinking under Obama's genius leadership.

Well it spiked up 34% over the last year.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 14, 2016 05:31 PM (39g3+)

Same said people believe that 94,000,000 out of work Americans equates to 5-6% unemployment.

Posted by: washrivergal madly and deeply deplorable at October 14, 2016 05:34 PM (CFc5L)

Posted by: m at October 14, 2016 05:35 PM (/4GEs)

298 Posted by: Country Singer (gab @BertG) at October 14, 2016 05:30 PM (GUBah)

So that email of the poll went
? to some guy at a (seemingly non polictical based on their webpage) communications firm
to someone at Turner (CNN)
to someone at Morgan Stanley
to Podesta
to, presumably, the Clinton campaign.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at October 14, 2016 05:35 PM (cJrMO)

299 "As per the horde's advice yesterday I ran malwarebytes and it did wonders. Thanks."

Anyone on a Windows box should be running a fine-toothed comb through the thing on at least a weekly basis.

Microsoft themselves have a free safety scanner tool that's constantly updated.

To guarantee people won't be lulled into an illusion of safety by running an outdated scan, the tool works only for a few days after being downloaded, and thereafter you've got to download and run the newest version, not that doing so is any particular hassle.

Just bookmark the page at their site and opt to run the download immediately. Opt to check the entire file system, not just the "critical" directories.

Posted by: torquewrench at October 14, 2016 05:35 PM (noWW6)

300
On the bright side one massive solar flare and we're all anonymous again
Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic

I believe that as much as I believe in global warming.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at October 14, 2016 05:35 PM (IqV8l)

301 It's almost funny how that Ken Bone guy is now a bad dude because he agreed with the jury in the George Zimmerman case.

I wonder what the people criticizing him think Zimmerman should have done after Trayvon Martin snuck up on him, sucker-punched him in the face hard enough to break his nose and knock him to the ground, and then straddled him and started beating him MMA-style.

Seriously, what should Zimmerman have done? He screamed for help, but nobody came. Should he have just let Martin beat him into unconsciousness, or to death?

Zimmerman may be an a-hole, but the indisputable fact is that he was brutally assaulted by Trayvon Martin, not because Zimmerman had actually done anything to Martin, but simply because Martin did not like the way Zimmerman had been looking at him.

Zimmerman had the legal right to use his gun to defend his life against a thug who had jumped him and was beating him. It's that simple.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at October 14, 2016 05:36 PM (4rh2D)

302 For those comparing Ken to Joe, remember Joe was I think already a McCain supporter.

This guy was by all reports a legitimately undecided voter, and they ass reamed him all over the media.

Gee I wonder how he's going to vote now.

Trump should cast a light on this by reaching out to Bone to express his sympathies, and then have a press conference saying this is what happens to people, even when they are undecided about an election when they do not tow the Party Line.

Posted by: #NeverHillary at October 14, 2016 05:36 PM (PkMDm)

303 285 Dana Perino is really getting to be unwatchable now. She was defending Donna Brazille the other day on the Five about giving Hillz the death penalty question. Her defense was basically I know Donna Brazille well and she would never do that, which was how dumbass Juan Williams defended Donna Brazille as well.

Idk, Dana Perino seems kind of dumb to me.
Posted by: L, Elle at October 14, 2016 05:32 PM (6IPEM

She knows not to cross the sisterhood, which comes before all allegiances.

Posted by: Pepe, The Irredeemable at October 14, 2016 05:36 PM (B9BVe)

Posted by: Yo! at October 14, 2016 05:36 PM (kPpxr)

Posted by: artisanal 'ette All Out 90's at October 14, 2016 05:30 PM

Cloggenstein? Eaten by a bear. Moose out front should have told you.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at October 14, 2016 05:36 PM (bzd8I)

306 149 yeah, ace, any way you can get the pixy hamsters to make our comments un googleable? or at least harder to google? I've kind of thought about this before. That could be an issue in the future. haha
Posted by: Harry Paratestes
---------------

Easy peasy.
Just get banned & they all disappear.

Posted by: Chi at October 14, 2016 05:36 PM (BxEQl)

Posted by: Eromero at October 14, 2016 05:37 PM (zLDYs)

Posted by: steevy at October 14, 2016 05:38 PM (fA75F)

309 Dana Perino is really getting to be unwatchable now. She was defending Donna Brazille the other day on the Five about giving Hillz the death penalty question. Her defense was basically I know Donna Brazille well and she would never do that, which was how dumbass Juan Williams defended Donna Brazille as well.

Idk, Dana Perino seems kind of dumb to me.
Posted by: L, Elle at October 14, 2016 05:32 PM (6IPEM)

Posted by: artisanal 'ette All Out 90's at October 14, 2016 05:38 PM (qCMvj)

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at October 14, 2016 05:38 PM (zc3Db)

311 I saw a clip of him being interviewed on CNN the day after the debate. I believe he said he was 'leaning Hillary'. I think he may just be leaning the other way now.
Posted by: Tami. Powering through being a depolorable at October 14, 2016 05:32 PM (Enq6K)

I hope so. I thought that interview he did with CNN was nice. He seemed like a funny guy who was just taking all of this in stride, although he was a bit bewildered.

Posted by: bluebell at October 14, 2016 05:38 PM (uHcnA)

312 Ken Bone: What will you do for those of us who are characters in Guess Who?

Posted by: BourbonChicken at October 14, 2016 05:38 PM (VdICR)

313 Idk, Dana Perino seems kind of dumb to me.
********************

I'm tired of these fucking bimbo shitbirds clogging the air waves because presenting their bouncy boobies is somehow equivalent to intelligent discourse on politics and government.

What the fuck is a 20 something bitch going to know about how the world works?

Posted by: #NeverHillary at October 14, 2016 05:38 PM (PkMDm)

Posted by: Dirks Strewn at October 14, 2016 05:39 PM (iWW0H)

315 As bad as all of this is, and it is. keep in mind, we've already won. The waiting is hell though.

Their socialist welfare models are choking under debt, their countries are being terrorized, the indoctrinated little butterflies are crushed by debt, every last liberal institution is cracking and being discredited.

And I'm also pretty sure you do not want to be the first Muslim in Europe to be publicly bitching about Islamophobia after the debt bubble bursts.

Posted by: Stateless Infidel at October 14, 2016 05:39 PM (8GN8w)

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at October 14, 2016 05:39 PM (iFgwk)

317 "Debt is over 20 trillion, and getting worse"

Not yet to $20T. Close now. It will probably get there by January.

"but the left has crowed about how the deficit was shrinking under Obama's genius leadership. Well it spiked up 34% over the last year."

Those who bother to read the fine print will have realized that for the last several years, the actual growth in the federal debt has markedly outpaced what would be expected from "falling" yearly federal deficits.

They're playing a shell game with the numbers.

I recall Ronald Reagan giving an interview where he described what he found on first arriving in Sackamanura as governor. His outgoing Democratic predecessor had said that the state's finances were in great shape. What Reagan found in reality was a total fiscal trainwreck.

Posted by: torquewrench at October 14, 2016 05:40 PM (noWW6)

318 Idk, Dana Perino seems kind of dumb to me.

She's part of the Ruling Class. This whole thing is an existential problem for them.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at October 14, 2016 05:40 PM (mL2BD)

319 Cloggenstein? Eaten by a bear. Moose out front should have told you.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at October 14, 2016 05:36 PM (bzd8I)
----------------

Oh, I hope not. I like the occasional Mary sightings. I may be a rarity, but I find a level of comfort in some of the silliness that goes on here.

Posted by: bluebell at October 14, 2016 05:40 PM (uHcnA)

320 For those comparing Ken to Joe, remember Joe was I think already a McCain supporter.

Posted by: #NeverHillary at October 14, 2016 05:36 PM (PkMDm)

And Joe The Plumber only questioned Barky after Barky trespassed on his property during his "backyard trespass" campaign tactic (which ended after two days, as he ran into Joe.

Joe's question was totally impromptu. He was good. And he continued to be excellent in interviews long after. I was very impressed with him.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at October 14, 2016 05:40 PM (zc3Db)

Posted by: Mega at October 14, 2016 05:41 PM (EdXI9)

322 299 "As per the horde's advice yesterday I ran malwarebytes and it did wonders. Thanks."

Anyone on a Windows box should be running a fine-toothed comb through the thing on at least a weekly basis.

Microsoft themselves have a free safety scanner tool that's constantly updated.

To guarantee people won't be lulled into an illusion of safety by running an outdated scan, the tool works only for a few days after being downloaded, and thereafter you've got to download and run the newest version, not that doing so is any particular hassle.

Just bookmark the page at their site and opt to run the download immediately. Opt to check the entire file system, not just the "critical" directories.
Posted by: torquewrench at October 14, 2016 05:35 PM (noWW6)

The small computer company where they build my computer, the owner who I know for 20 years told me the best way is to backup the important stuff then reinstall windows, it gets rid of everything. I bring my computer laptop etc in and he does it

Posted by: Patrick from Ohio at October 14, 2016 05:42 PM (dKiJG)

323 Cloggenstein? Eaten by a bear. Moose out front should have told you.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at October 14, 2016 05:36 PM (bzd8I)
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Oh, I hope not. I like the occasional Mary sightings. I may be a rarity, but I find a level of comfort in some of the silliness that goes on here.

Posted by: bluebell at October 14, 2016 05:40 PM (uHcnA)

yeah, I like the attention to wordsmithing detail

Posted by: artisanal 'ette All Out 90's at October 14, 2016 05:42 PM (qCMvj)

324 Sorry, Perino, but 'I know her and. ' is not evidentiary.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at October 14, 2016 05:42 PM (mL2BD)

Posted by: ThunderB at October 14, 2016 05:43 PM (CgrKm)

Posted by: Yo! at October 14, 2016 05:43 PM (kPpxr)

Posted by: HillaryTheHarpy at October 14, 2016 05:43 PM (wYr++)

328 I'm starting to think instead of focusing so much on politics and elections, maybe we just start focusing our fire on the media.

I feel like you clean up that cesspool and a lot of good things start falling in place.

Posted by: Maritime at October 14, 2016 05:43 PM (ZDSDQ)

329 This kind of personal destruction of the little people is sure to benefit Hillary.

Posted by: Max Power at October 14, 2016 05:44 PM (q177U)

330 Not yet to $20T. Close now. It will probably get there by January.

It was officially listed as 19 trillion last year, you can't tell me it isn't over 20 by now.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 14, 2016 05:44 PM (39g3+)

331 Idk, Dana Perino seems kind of dumb to me.

She's got the IQ of a waterlogged slice of bread. Given the gargantuan size of her head you would think that she would, at least, be of average intelligence. But, no .

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at October 14, 2016 05:44 PM (zc3Db)

332 Pretty chilling stuff. This machine they've created can end your career if you dare speak out. How Stalin would be proud.

Little did we know, 2008 was the beginning of the end for any free speech or opposition. Who wants to run for President against this leviathan now, knowing the pig shit you'll be forced to wade through and all the false accusations you'll have to deny.

Maybe that was always the point.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at October 14, 2016 05:44 PM (pUDQf)

333 "Zimmerman may be an a-hole, but the indisputable fact is that he was
brutally assaulted by Trayvon Martin, not because Zimmerman had actually
done anything to Martin, but simply because Martin did not like the way
Zimmerman had been looking at him."

The lovely young lass Rachel ("That's real retarded, sir") Jeantel didn't bother to tell this to the court while she was on the stand, but after the Zimmerman trial was over, she gave an interview where she alleged that the reason Martin went back to confront Zimmerman was because he thought Zimmerman was gay.

And, said the lovely young lass, Trayvon was intent upon administering "an ass whooping" to what he perceived to be a gay man.

What did the left call it, back before the Zimmerman trial, when a gay man would get violently beaten up simply for being gay? Oh! Yes! I remember now. They called it "gay-bashing", and they told us that "gay-bashing" was The Worst Thing Ever To Have Come About In The Entire History Of The Universe.

But when a member of an ethnic protected class sets out to do himself some righteous gay-bashing and ass-whooping?

Posted by: torquewrench at October 14, 2016 05:44 PM (noWW6)

334 Isn't Mary Clogenstein a sock that everyone used?

You say that like it's a bad thing.

Posted by: Sandra Fluke at October 14, 2016 05:45 PM (mgbwf)

335 So a dude has looked at porn before and has an unpopular opinion.

Posted by: thathalfricanplayafromthehimalayas - be water my friend at October 14, 2016 05:45 PM (R5HRU)

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at October 14, 2016 05:45 PM (mL2BD)

337 It was officially listed as 19 trillion last year, you can't tell me it isn't over 20 by now.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 14, 2016 05:44 PM (39g3+)

It's at something around 19.5, now.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at October 14, 2016 05:45 PM (zc3Db)

338 318
Idk, Dana Perino seems kind of dumb to me.

She's part of the Ruling Class. This whole thing is an existential problem for them.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at October 14, 2016 05:40 PM (mL2BD)

She is not dumb, she is a snob. She thinks the rest of The Five are beneath her. Her veiled contempt is not hard to see.
I mean she was an ASSISTANT something in the Bush White House. Doesn't get much more important than that.

Posted by: Nip Sip, the moron with two torn rotator cuffs at October 14, 2016 05:45 PM (NbJXF)

Posted by: Votermom the deplorable @vm on gab at October 14, 2016 05:45 PM (Om16U)

340 All my friends are heathens dont you know.

Posted by: ThunderB at October 14, 2016 05:30 PM (CgrKm)

Yids are worse than heathens.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo. Anti-Semite at October 14, 2016 05:46 PM (Zu3d9)

There is a sound reason why the silent majority is silent about Trump.

If Hillary wins we slide towards totalitarianism brought to you by the S&P 500.

Posted by: Pepe, The Irredeemable

************
Do you think they will put us all together in the same camp?

Yes, and the camp will only have one, special-purpose wall and it will be more of a ditch than a camp per se.

Posted by: Dirks Strewn at October 14, 2016 05:46 PM (iWW0H)

342 If I ever get a chance to be in a town hall I'm going to tell them my name is Dick Hurts
Posted by: Marcus T at October 14, 2016 05:28 PM (5ojcM)
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Yeah, I don't think they'd buy that.

Now Hertz, maybe, they'd buy.

Posted by: bluebell at October 14, 2016 05:46 PM (uHcnA)

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at October 14, 2016 05:46 PM (mL2BD)

344 I mean who hasn't socked Mel Gibson

Or Charles Gibson for that matter?

Posted by: Yo! at October 14, 2016 05:46 PM (kPpxr)

345 She is not dumb, she is a snob.

Posted by: Nip Sip, the moron with two torn rotator cuffs at October 14, 2016 05:45 PM (NbJXF)

She's a snob, but she's also an idiot.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at October 14, 2016 05:46 PM (zc3Db)

346 I'm so old I remember when "dissent was patriotic". Isn't that right, Hillary?

(Ever notice that the L and the I in CLINTON looks like a U?)

Posted by: Mega at October 14, 2016 05:46 PM (EdXI9)

347 Here's a little spin control:

Posted by: Country Singer (gab @BertG) at October 14, 2016 05:47 PM (GUBah)

348 333 "Zimmerman may be an a-hole, but the indisputable fact is that he was
brutally assaulted by Trayvon Martin, not because Zimmerman had actually
done anything to Martin, but simply because Martin did not like the way
Zimmerman had been looking at him."

The lovely young lass Rachel ("That's real retarded, sir") Jeantel didn't bother to tell this to the court while she was on the stand, but after the Zimmerman trial was over, she gave an interview where she alleged that the reason Martin went back to confront Zimmerman was because he thought Zimmerman was gay.

And, said the lovely young lass, Trayvon was intent upon administering "an ass whooping" to what he perceived to be a gay man.

What did the left call it, back before the Zimmerman trial, when a gay man would get violently beaten up simply for being gay? Oh! Yes! I remember now. They called it "gay-bashing", and they told us that "gay-bashing" was The Worst Thing Ever To Have Come About In The Entire History Of The Universe.

But when a member of an ethnic protected class sets out to do himself some righteous gay-bashing and ass-whooping?

Posted by: torquewrench at October 14, 2016 05:44 PM (noWW6)

Yes I remember Ms Jabba the Hutt saying that, didn't they cut to commercial really quickly.

Posted by: Patrick from Ohio at October 14, 2016 05:47 PM (dKiJG)

349 It's at something around 19.5, now.

Are you interested in real estate investments? There's this bridge for sale in Manhattan for a steal, all you need is to pay a small fee to lock in your bid.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 14, 2016 05:47 PM (39g3+)

Posted by: Dirks Strewn at October 14, 2016 05:47 PM (iWW0H)

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at October 14, 2016 05:48 PM (AroJD)

352 "It was officially listed as 19 trillion last year, you can't tell me it isn't over 20 by now."

The Treasury Department obligingly provides a "Debt To The Penny" site for interested citizens to observe the figure on a daily basis.

It doesn't increase linearly. There are odd delays and then sudden jumps. Sometimes those jumps are huge, as when the administration has hit the debt limit.

The daily figure stops changing for a few weeks or months until Clowngress raises the ceiling again. Then all of the backlogged spending suddenly hits the bottom-line total. Whammo! The spending itself never actually stops, of course.

Posted by: torquewrench at October 14, 2016 05:48 PM (noWW6)

353 >>>Isn't Mary Clogenstein a sock that everyone used?

If there's a sock that everyone used, I'd like to be the first to sniff it.

Posted by: Quentin Tarantino at October 14, 2016 05:48 PM (iFgwk)

Posted by: Golfman at October 14, 2016 05:48 PM (48QDY)

355 yeah, I like the attention to wordsmithing detail
Posted by: artisanal 'ette All Out 90's at October 14, 2016 05:42 PM (qCMvj)
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And the attention to (mis)spelling. Plus the correct use of exclamation points interspersed with ones.

Posted by: bluebell at October 14, 2016 05:49 PM (uHcnA)

356 I think Charles Gibson is the sock I've used the most, maybe Hillary Klin-Ton and Barack Hussein O'Bama.

But the Charles Gibson joke has spiderwebs on it, nobody even remembers that any more.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 14, 2016 05:49 PM (39g3+)

357 342 I have chunks of me in my stool
Posted by: GLENNNNN BECK! at October 14, 2016 05:46 PM (XzRw1)

Posted by: IN Vino Veritits at October 14, 2016 05:50 PM (g6yUI)

358 Same said people believe that 94,000,000 out of work Americans equates to 5-6% unemployment.

Posted by: washrivergal madly and deeply deplorable at October 14, 2016 05:34 PM (CFc5L)
.

even though I was told there would be no math:

U.S. population of 319 million

if you subtract 40 million retired folks from U.S. population:

I must be missing something.

Posted by: wth at October 14, 2016 05:50 PM (HgMAr)

359 328
I'm starting to think instead of focusing so much on politics and elections, maybe we just start focusing our fire on the media.

I feel like you clean up that cesspool and a lot of good things start falling in place.

Posted by: Maritime at October 14, 2016 05:43 PM (ZDSDQ)

What I don't get and will never understand is the fact that in all polls, the media gets such low marks in credibility. So even though most people see them as dishonest and shiftless, we've still got a race here that is tied when Trump should be doing end-zone dances.

Posted by: washrivergal madly and deeply deplorable at October 14, 2016 05:50 PM (CFc5L)

360 But the Charles Gibson joke has spiderwebs on it, nobody even remembers that any more.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 14, 2016 05:49 PM (39g3+)

Spiderwebs? Never heard of them.

Posted by: Charles Gibson at October 14, 2016 05:50 PM (zc3Db)

361
What did the left call it, back before the Zimmerman trial, when a gay man would get violently beaten up simply for being gay? Oh! Yes! I remember now. They called it "gay-bashing", and they told us that "gay-bashing" was The Worst Thing Ever To Have Come About In The Entire History Of The Universe.

But when a member of an ethnic protected class sets out to do himself some righteous gay-bashing and ass-whooping?

Posted by: torquewrench at October 14, 2016 05:44 PM (noWW6)

Melissa Etheridge -- Scarecrow (Live and Alone, 2001)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FX0axQTs8A0

Posted by: artisanal 'ette All Out 90's at October 14, 2016 05:51 PM (qCMvj)

362
Trump should reach out to Bone.

I didn't think he was that kind.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at October 14, 2016 05:51 PM (IqV8l)

363 362 ASK HOW MUCH I MADE IN AIRPORT XRAY MACHINE FUTURES.
Posted by: DANA PERINO at October 14, 2016 05:50 PM (XzRw1)

Posted by: Pepe, The Irredeemable at October 14, 2016 05:51 PM (B9BVe)

364 Posted by: AlaBAMA at October 14, 2016 05:44 PM (pUDQf)
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And people wonder why we chose Trump. They will do it to anyone.

Remember Herman Cain? THose women disappeared fast. Romney was behind that and now we know who was behind Romney.

Trump is going to continue fighting. He won't back down. And may well win.

Posted by: Mega at October 14, 2016 05:52 PM (EdXI9)

365 "Yes I remember Ms Jabba the Hutt saying that, didn't they cut to commercial really quickly."

The expression on the interviewer's face turned to stone faster than Medusa could have accomplished the job.

You can imagine the sort of invective being shouted into the earpiece by the producers in the booth.

Posted by: torquewrench at October 14, 2016 05:52 PM (noWW6)

Posted by: Peggy at October 14, 2016 05:52 PM (HBU7W)

367 There was a Richard "Dick" Hertz in my college class.

In high school, "Buster" Hymen.

Posted by: Ignoramus at October 14, 2016 05:52 PM (r1fLd)

368
CNN four days ago: "Ken Bone -- he's no conformist. He's the person a divided America needs right now."

CNN today: IF THOU FALLEN INTO SIN THROUGH TEMPTATION, SEEK THEE REDEMPTION.

Posted by: Colonel Travis at October 14, 2016 05:52 PM (NC3V6)

Posted by: The Chicken at October 14, 2016 05:52 PM (Tyii7)

370 So what's to stop an enterprising person from researching all the names of the people who worked on these stories, finding out where they live, then doxing the shit out of them? For the sake of science, so we will know conclusively whether cockroaches do, in fact, scatter when light is shone on them.

Not suggesting anything to get myself banned, but I agree that the gloves need to come off with these fuckers and that needs to happen right quick.

Posted by: sans_sheriff at October 14, 2016 05:52 PM (2PXpI)

Posted by: Giacomo at October 14, 2016 05:53 PM (p8tVb)

372 if you subtract 40 million retired folks from U.S. population:

There are a lot of people in that not in the working age still, delete everyone under the age of 16 or so, and then anyone who is super rich and doesn't need to work.

Its around 10% if I recall correctly. The real unemployment rate is usually 5% or more higher than the listed one, under every president.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 14, 2016 05:53 PM (39g3+)

373 Trump should reach out to Bone.
.

Is that like grabbing pussy, but ghey?

Posted by: wth at October 14, 2016 05:53 PM (HgMAr)

Posted by: Saber Alter at October 14, 2016 05:53 PM (Cpl1o)

375 Pardon me if this has been asked and answered previously but how was he "outed"?

Reddit comments are anonymous.

Posted by: random lurker commenter at October 14, 2016 05:53 PM (+tRIN)

Posted by: Charles Gibson at October 14, 2016 05:54 PM (C9pBZ)

Posted by: kbdabear at October 14, 2016 05:55 PM (Ya7zs)

378 386 Who does this Ken Bone think he is watching online porn, a government employee at his desk.

Next you're gonna tell me he poops in the halls.

Posted by: deplorable donna at October 14, 2016 05:55 PM (O2RFr)

379 Also she is streetable.
Posted by: Nip Sip, the moron with two torn rotator cuffs at October 14, 2016 05:45 PM (NbJXF

Streetable is not a compliment is it?

Posted by: Pepe, The Irredeemable at October 14, 2016 05:56 PM (B9BVe)

Iris [ Official Music Video ]

Posted by: artisanal 'ette All Out 90's at October 14, 2016 05:56 PM (qCMvj)

381 Reddit comments are anonymousc

It's cute that you belive that

Posted by: Zuckgooglyahoo. at October 14, 2016 05:56 PM (C9pBZ)

382 I will laugh my ass off if Wikileaks exposes journalists and politicians sharing online porn links.

Let he who has not clicked on the "Teenage lesbian cheerleaders" link cast the first stone

Posted by: kbdabear at October 14, 2016 05:56 PM (Ya7zs)

Posted by: L, Elle at October 14, 2016 05:56 PM (6IPEM)

384 308 Obviously the politically correct thing to do would have been to allow the gentle youth to beat him to death,Trivial.
___________________

Yes, it's what they apparently want (for everybody who is not them), but I wonder what they think they would do if they found themselves in that same situation. Just lie there with the gun in your pocket, and wait for death or brain damage or whatever, because you don't want to offend the tender sensibilities of the black thug who jumped you and is trying to kill you?

Or how about the cop in the Michael Brown case? Brown had already punched him in the face and tried to take his gun while the cop was seated in his cop car. When the cop yelled at Brown to stop and Brown turned back around and started to charge towards him, what exactly was the cop supposed to do? Stand there and wait for 300+ pound, aggressive Brown to tackle him and go for his gun again?

It's just so damn annoying that so few people have any understanding of the actual facts in these cases, and instead just blindly accept, and repeat, the crooked MSM's phony narratives.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at October 14, 2016 05:56 PM (4rh2D)

Are pretty well used socks too

Posted by: Yo! at October 14, 2016 05:57 PM (kPpxr)

Posted by: IC at October 14, 2016 05:57 PM (a0IVu)

Posted by: ThunderB at October 14, 2016 05:58 PM (CgrKm)

388 Ken Bone should change his name to Ken Bomer and troll the media. That's what I'd do.
Posted by: L, Elle at October 14, 2016 05:56 PM (6IPEM)

or just invite him to join us here

Posted by: artisanal 'ette All Out 90's at October 14, 2016 05:58 PM (qCMvj)

389 Reddit comments are anonymous

Posted by: Votermom the deplorable @vm on gab at October 14, 2016 05:59 PM (Om16U)

Posted by: wth at October 14, 2016 05:59 PM (HgMAr)

391 He was wrong on the Supreme Court (that Trump will appoint justices who will reverse the right to marriage equality).

I thought he'd be suadable.
Posted by: m at October 14, 2016 05:25 PM (/4GEs)

First, there is no such thing as "Marriage Equality". Another dumb term created by the left to make same sex marriage seem to be a right.

Marriage is not a "right". Its a government constructed legal arrangement when it is sanctioned and presided over by the government(hence marriage licenses) and before that it was a long held deep religious belief and ceremony that has been corrupted for decades now by the left.

No one has a "right" to be married. Rights come from God, from just being human.

What can the Supreme Court do if conservative justices were nominated? Go back to Federalism, as our founders and constitution intended. And that would mean it would go back to the states for regulation of the legal responsibility of marriage, as it had been for almost 100 years.

Places like NY, Vermont, CA , etc. would enact same sex sanctioned marriage laws. Places such as Texas, Louisiana, Michigan etc. would be able to once again allow their residents to determine if they wanted to permit gay marriage or write in their constitution the definition of marriage as one man one woman. The people would choose, not some black robed asshole with a gay clerk who cried on his desk that she couldn't adopt a baby for a pet like she could a dog.

It's just like the idiot bathroom stuff. This entire issue got started because for decades, business, offices, restaurants, dorms buildings, etc. offered separate toilet and shower facilities for men and women. Some mentally ill transgender decided to go into a women's restroom and when it alarmed the women there and building security, the person was told to leave.

They sued. And a court decided that they should have the choice of where to pee, because of fairness or equality or some such shit. So NC countered with creating a law to protect business owners from lawsuits should they decide that the dude with fake boobs and skirt heading into the women's room might be up to no good and remove him.

And the left turned this into the biggest civil rights issue going. They've sued and sports leagues are punishing NC because of this by cancelling championships, etc.

Another made up "right' that doesn't exist, but is used to further regulate and restrain the populace.

Posted by: Jen the original at October 14, 2016 05:59 PM (ntZAP)

392 And people wonder why we chose Trump. They will do it to anyone.

Trump is going to continue fighting. He won't back down. And may well win.

Yeah, this is why I just shake my head when I see people talking about how Cruz would'a won! He would have had the same crap thrown at him. They have one playbook and ride it like a maniac as long as it works. Trump is the only one around that seems to know how to ride this rodeo pony. The others just collapse.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 14, 2016 05:59 PM (39g3+)

393 And after Bone loses his job, family, and is kicked out of his church and forced to move to another town and live in a homeless shelter, they'll post in despair and confusion after he loses his mind as well and walks into one of the offices to do horrible things.

And it will be the fault of gun owners.

Posted by: 16 Paranoia Filled Days Later at October 14, 2016 05:59 PM (x4zgf)

394 This is more than bullying, this is personal destruction. They are terrible people!

Posted by: PJ at October 14, 2016 04:47 PM (cHuNI)

Exactly. they wont be content to win either if that happens. Only total annihilation of any opposition is acceptable. Fascists pure and simple.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at October 14, 2016 06:00 PM (B+MYz)

Posted by: The Camps at October 14, 2016 06:00 PM (B+MYz)

Posted by: kbdabear at October 14, 2016 06:00 PM (Ya7zs)

Posted by: Basement Cat at October 14, 2016 06:00 PM (3C9q2)

398 Do you subtract the underage and retired people from total U.S. population, or from the 94 million not working?

From the 94 million not working, they by definition do not work, so they're part of the total count. But they aren't part of unemployment stats, properly

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 14, 2016 06:00 PM (39g3+)

399 #323, I have lost my enthusiasm for much of my former activism. The progressive movement is splintering at the moment, and I have been contemplating future paths with the aid of a lovely varietal cabernet from a local sustainable-growth fair-trade organic vineyard.

Bernie Sanders, the Progressive lion of the Senate, has taken his thirty pieces of silver from Hillary Clinton to betray the Movement.

Hillary herself, no matter how much a blow for equality a barely closeted queer femme President would be, is a right-wing warmonger and even a bigger tool of the international banksters and Wall Street machine than even that awful faux cowboy George W. Bush was. We will go from the Smirking Chimp to the Shrieking Harridan. She is a rape enabler at best.

And don't get me started on how problematic Trump is. There is NOT enough wine on this planet.

Jill Stein would be my choice, but it is a lost cause.

And so much of the Movement is breaking down on artificial boundaries of race, class, gender, and so on, when the intersectionality doctrine should blend a lovely allied force with which to break the power structure that oppresses the proletariat.

I am going back to drinking. Pick your own damnation, you and that horrible Mr. O'Spades person.

Posted by: Mary Cloggenstein from Brattleboro, Vermont at October 14, 2016 06:01 PM (v68hm)

Posted by: Powder Hollow at October 14, 2016 06:02 PM (ZaqXI)

Posted by: Mega at October 14, 2016 06:02 PM (EdXI9)

402 >>>I must be missing something.
Posted by: wth at October 14, 2016 05:50 PM (HgMAr)

The 94 M Americans out of the work force includes the 41 M retired Americans too.

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at October 14, 2016 06:02 PM (yZefC)

Posted by: L, Elle at October 14, 2016 06:02 PM (6IPEM)

Posted by: Yo! at October 14, 2016 06:03 PM (kPpxr)

405 Posted by: Mary Cloggenstein from Brattleboro, Vermont at October 14, 2016 06:01 PM (v68hm)
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Nope, this can't be the real one. First of all, "Cloggenstein" is spelled correctly. Secondly, all the other words are also spelled correctly. Thirdly, not one exclamation point.

Posted by: bluebell at October 14, 2016 06:03 PM (uHcnA)

406 >>>218 Smartest things I ever did was intentionally NEVER get an account for

-- Facebook
-- Twitter
-- GMail
-- Google in general
-- Yahoo

Posted by: zombie at October 14, 2016 05:19 PM (jBuUi)

Do you Skype? I've had people ask me to, and I'm wary of that, too.

Posted by: m at October 14, 2016 06:04 PM (/4GEs)

Posted by: wth at October 14, 2016 06:04 PM (HgMAr)

408 HOW was his reddit ID revealed
Posted by: ThunderB at October 14, 2016 05:58 PM (CgrKm)

IIRC, he openly used the same Reddit nic somewhere else on the web along with real name, address, etc. It was a rather unique nic: the odds of two people using the same nic are pretty low then you have added to that the context of the Reddit question(s) he posed and the name/addy and job information tied to that nic elsewhere.

Posted by: Country Singer (gab @BertG) at October 14, 2016 06:06 PM (GUBah)

409
392 And people wonder why we chose Trump. They will do it to anyone.

Trump is going to continue fighting. He won't back down. And may well win.

Yeah, this is why I just shake my head when I see people talking about how Cruz would'a won! He would have had the same crap thrown at him. They have one playbook and ride it like a maniac as long as it works. Trump is the only one around that seems to know how to ride this rodeo pony. The others just collapse.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 14, 2016 05:59 PM (39g3+)

It would noty have mattered who the GOP candidate was.

Romney didn't care if his wife had cancer and didn't pay taxes.

Carly ruthlessly fired people and threw them into the street.

Ben Carson is not black enough and rolled over for the white man.

Anyone would have had to defend themselves from heinous charges. I do not give them the benefit of saying 'oh its politics' anymore, I believe now that these are evil people.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob *burp* at October 14, 2016 06:07 PM (B+MYz)

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at October 14, 2016 06:08 PM (Nox3c)

Posted by: Czar Peter at October 14, 2016 06:10 PM (O3jhK)

Posted by: Czar Peter at October 14, 2016 06:11 PM (O3jhK)

THIS IS THAT BULLYING STUFF YOU THINK EVERYONE ELSE NEEDS TO STOP.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at October 14, 2016 06:11 PM (mL2BD)

414 The lovely young lass Rachel ("That's real retarded, sir") Jeantel didn't bother to tell this to the court while she was on the stand, but after the Zimmerman trial was over, she gave an interview where she alleged that the reason Martin went back to confront Zimmerman was because he thought Zimmerman was gay.
_______________________

Yes, I remember that. But regardless of whether Trayvon Martin attacked Zimmerman because Martin thought Zimmerman was following him, or because Martin thought Zimmerman might be some kind of gay perv, the fact still remains that Martin was the aggressor. He had no legal justification for punching Zimmerman.

"I don't like the way you're looking at me" isn't legal justification for an assault. "I think you might be some kind of gay perv" isn't legal justification for an assault. "I don't like white guys walking behind me" isn't legal justification for an assault.

Trayvon Martin ended up dead because he made a violent, unprovoked, and legally unjustifiable assault upon a man who happened to be carrying a gun.

The media, and the racial grievance mongers, aren't doing anyone any favors by pretending otherwise.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at October 14, 2016 06:11 PM (4rh2D)

Posted by: LGoPs at October 14, 2016 06:12 PM (P9svL)

416 But the Charles Gibson joke has spiderwebs on it, nobody even remembers that any more.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 14, 2016 05:49 PM (39g3+)

The Charles Gibson joke? Never heard of it.

Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at October 14, 2016 06:14 PM (cBK7d)

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at October 14, 2016 06:18 PM (mL2BD)

Posted by: Ferd Berfall at October 14, 2016 06:19 PM (NuElX)

419 Ken Bone deserves to be thanked for proving this transformed fake country sucks.

Posted by: William Eaton at October 14, 2016 06:20 PM (KhJh8)

Posted by: Ferd Berfall at October 14, 2016 06:24 PM (NuElX)

421 417 New Drudge: FAB has meltdown over Bill cancelling Wall Street speech in 2015.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at October 14, 2016 06:18 PM (mL2BD

This is the modern left. and big banks/wall street.

No speech is worth $200,000-$300,000. or at least anyone alive now. And if it is worth that or more, no one would realize it until it was over.

Posted by: William Eaton at October 14, 2016 06:24 PM (KhJh8)

Posted by: Doug at October 14, 2016 06:35 PM (3RVQo)

Posted by: vivi at October 14, 2016 06:35 PM (11H2y)

A.) A wondrous device of wide open equality and freedom.

B.) A tyrannical tool of mass opinion manipulation.

C.) "A" rapidly transforming into "B."

Posted by: RKae at October 14, 2016 06:38 PM (KFnnG)

Posted by: bskb at October 14, 2016 06:43 PM (uz1TO)

426 I've gotta say.. I'm not a Trump defender.. but we must vote for him to stop Hilary. Hell I'd vote for Charles Manson if he were running against Hilary.

But this Ken Bone thing is the last straw.. I'm so enraged and disgusted by this that I'm going to be fiercely against Hilary and the media after she probably wins. So much so that I hope she never gets to rest. They are cranking up the fake outrage, and we should do the same. with no mercy. An outrage a day for her entire term. I'm done with anyone on the other side. Friendships are on the verge of collapsing because of this election. I think our country is in big trouble, and this could very well be considered a turning point in our history. SMOD 1016

With the FBI and the rule of law becoming a joke, I say to hell with you all! I at least thought I could always feel safe knowing law enforcement and the FBI were the good guys. Now they are a joke for ALL TIME.

All we can do is concentrate on family, but for sure we should consider ourselves internal exile at the very least. I don't think i'm going to play by the rules anymore. To hell with them all

Posted by: Pure Filth at October 14, 2016 06:44 PM (OtQ78)

427 Hell I'd vote for Charles Manson if he were running against Hilary.

Only if he stayed in prison. And if Hillary was his cellmate.

Posted by: Miley's Deplorables, Standard Redneck at October 14, 2016 06:52 PM (L2UGl)

428 I just don't see how decent and civilized people finally have enough of a very small percentage of assholes fucking the country over and take things into their own hands.

If the police can't handle a blm terrorist riot in Ferguson, how will the elites handle the licensed hunters in Ohio and Missouri (numbers greater than the standing numbers of the Marines, Army, Air, Force, and Navy combined)?

Posted by: Jukin,The Deplorable at October 14, 2016 07:56 PM (yU61i)

Posted by: Scout at October 14, 2016 09:10 PM (ukad2)

430 Coming in late, but I don't get the "#WhenDoesJustinesPlaneLand?" reference. Can anyone enlighten me?

Posted by: Scout at October 14, 2016 09:10 PM (ukad2)

I think it is a reference to the woman that was flying to Africa and made the "I hope I don't catch AIDS" joke. The Soviet Justice Wanker outrage machine went into overdrive and, by the time her airplane landed, she had been turned into an object of scorn on social media and been summarily fired from her job.

Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at October 14, 2016 09:26 PM (5Yee7)

Posted by: Anonymous at October 14, 2016 10:34 PM (HAr7n)

Posted by: Me, That's Who at October 15, 2016 02:08 AM (kJQl6)

433 What difference does it make if it is Joe the Plumber or Joe the Axe Murderer asking the question?

Joe Lunchbox might not be expected to know but any journalist has to know that there is no difference.
If they don't they aren't a journalist.

Posted by: Stan at October 15, 2016 03:22 PM (f4iIM)

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(What’s Left of) Our Economy: Trade Wars’ Impact on U.S. Manufacturing Output Still Clouded by GM and Boeing

16 Saturday Nov 2019

If you read last month’s Federal Reserve report on after-inflation U.S. manufacturing output (for September), then there wasn’t much reason to read yesterday morning’s report on after-inflation manufacturing production (for October). For it described the same puzzling picture: American industrial performance clearly dragged down by the recently ended strike at General Motors (GM), but apparently completely unaffected by Boeing safety woes that have sharply reduced the aviation giant’s enormous exports.

The top-line figures released by the Fed were definitely gloomy. Last month, real U.S. Manufacturing output dropped by 0.62 percent sequentially – the worst such result since April’s 0.87 percent fall-off. Inflation-adjusted motor vehicle and parts output, however, plunged by 7.65 percent – its worst such performance since the 7.97 percent nosedive of April, 2011. Moreover, September’s previously reported 4.22 percent monthly automotive price-adjusted automotive decrease was revised all the way down to a 5.49 percent slump.

As the Fed observed, without the huge October monthly plunge in inflation-adjusted automotive output, the overall manufacturing production decline would have been just 0.14 percent – which obviously doesn’t show any strength, either.

But this is where the Boeing puzzle comes in. There’s still no sign of it in these Fed data. Most curiously, constant dollar production for aircraft and parts production rose a solid 0.57 percent on month in October. It’s down since March, when governments the world over began grounding its popular but now troubled 737 Max jet or banning it from their national air spaces.

But although Boeing’s exports have deteriorated sharply, too, the real output shrinkage has only been 1.48 percent since March, and since April (the first full data month since those March woes), after-inflation production of aircraft and parts has actually risen 1.15 percent. That’s considerably better than the output performance of domestic manufacturing as a whole during this period. And it’s much better than the output of key supplier sectors, although surely they’d been affected by the GM strike as well:

overall manufacturing: -0.19 percent

durable goods: -0.81 percent

primary metals: -1.62 percent

fabricated metals products: -0.60 percent

It’s true that export sales and production don’t move in lock step for aircraft, or for any other industry. But with foreign markets representing well over half of Boeing’s revenue last year, the former sinking while the latter keep growing isn’t easy to explain.

Something else that needs to be considered: Whatever the Fed data actually show, they’re not able to show much about how aircraft parts and production would have fared without the Boeing troubles. And they’re even less capable of showing such counterfactuals regarding how supplier sectors might have fared.

As for the impact of the trade wars, as usual, the consequences of the President’s tariffs on aluminum and steel are easiest to gauge, since they’ve been on the longest, and the major metals-using industries (the presumed leading victims) are so easy to identify. The table below represents the changes in their real output since April, 2018 (the first full month in which the levies were in effect), with the data for manufacturing overall used as a control group, and durable goods included because it’s the super-category in which most of the main metals-using industries are located:

Old Apr thru Sept New Apr thru Sept Apr thru Oct

overall manufacturing: +0.09 percent +0.08 percent -0.54 percent

durables manufacturing: +1.25 percent +0.87 percent -0.32 percent

fabricated metals prods: +1.85 percent +1.63 percent +1.42 percent

machinery: 0 percent -0.96 percent -0.81 percent

automotive: -3.92 percent -5.53 percent -12.24 percent

major appliances: -2.19 percent -2.03 percent -9.14 percent

aircraft and parts: +5.43 percent +3.00 percent +3.59 percent

In absolute terms, the results are still all over the place, and a GM strike effect is clearly evident for supplier industries like fabricated metal products and machinery. The interruption of GM production also seems to have aggravated – but not caused – the loss of relative momentum exhibited by the metals-users – meaning, that their production slowdown has gotten faster relative to that of overall manufacturing, even leaving out the cratering of automotive output. Interestingly, that momentum loss is now affecting aircraft and parts, too – whose September production figures were also revised down significantly.

Also noteworthy – the steep monthly production dive in major appliances in October. Yes, they’ve experienced their own product-specific tariffs (on large household laundry equipment) as well as the metals tariffs. Production of these products is pretty volatile, too. But the 7.26 percent real monthly output drop was the biggest since it plummeted 8.29 percent between September and October, 2013. Even stranger – the housing sector, which drives much appliance buying and therefore indirectly production – registered a major uptick in growth in the third quarter after six quarters of substantial decline.

As for the impact of the China tariffs on manufacturing output, since that’s much more difficult to gauge than the effects of the metals tariffs (e.g., because Chinese products have been used so widely, and to such varying extents, as inputs for so many manufacturing industries) it seems to make less sense than ever to examine them, given the possibility of the Boeing effect lasting months more.

And somewhat depressingly, I find myself wondering if that’s going to be true for following any manufacturing-and-trade-relevant data for at least a month or two more. (Though I’m sure I’ll keep soldering on!)


Following Up: Still Lots of Unanswered Questions About that Trump NAFTA Revamp

02 Sunday Sep 2018

In recent days, the Trump administration has reached a trade deal with Mexico that either may or may not fundamentally rework the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA). I say “may or may not” because above and beyond the question of whether the third NAFTA signatory, Canada, will actually go along, and whether Congress will agree to consider a bilateral as opposed to a trilateral deal, some of the most important provisions of the bilateral U.S.-Mexico pact remain unknown to the public.

In particular, it’s completely unclear what the United States and Mexico have agreed to regarding the rules of origin for automotive products traded within the NAFTA zone. In fact, it’s completely unclear whether what they reportedly have agreed to is an agreement at all.

To remind: The rules of origin specify how much of a product (in this case, most motor vehicles as well as all automotive parts) needs to be made inside North America in order to qualify for tariff-free treatment when its sold in any of the signatory countries. The idea – totally reasonable, in my opinion – is to make sure that as many of the benefits of a trade deal as possible flow to the signatories (which of course, legally need to incur all of the obligations) and don’t leak out to non-signatories (which of course legally need to incur none of the obligations).

Automotive trade is crucial in this respect because vehicles and parts combined last year made up nearly a third of all U.S. merchandise imports from Mexico, and (revealingly) 9.65 percent of the considerably smaller amount of U.S. goods exports to Mexico.

As I’ve repeatedly observed, the original NAFTA failed to achieve this objective. And the main problem was not the level of North American content required for duty-free treatment (62.5 percent). The main problem was that the penalty for ignoring the rules was so negligible (a 2.5 percent tariff). And it appears that even though the content requirement has been increased (to 75 percent), the meager penalty remains. Reportedly, it’s also the only obstacle to automakers ignoring the new requirement that 40 to 45 percent of a vehicle be made by workers earning at least $16 per hour.

So it’s entirely reasonable to finish most news accounts and conclude that the new U.S.-Mexico treaty will do little to achieve its stated goal of inducing automakers based outside North America to move production and jobs inside North America.

Complicating matters, though, are some wrinkles in the U.S.-Mexico deal that have been reported in the days since the agreement was first announced. Principally, according to some news accounts, much higher 25 percent tariffs will be imposed on vehicles assembled in Mexico and sent to the U.S. market once the number of those vehicles exceeds 2.4 million. Therefore, the actual automotive rules of origin may well have been genuinely toughened.

Nevertheless, for several reasons, this conclusion, too, needs to be qualified. For Mexico exported only 1.8 million passenger cars and sport-utility vehicles to the United States last year. So its sales would need to rise considerably before that genuine toughening kicks in. Second – and again, reportedly – this provision of the agreement is contained in a side letter. The apparent failure to include it in the core text of the agreement raises questions about its enforceability – especially since the same reports indicate that under it, Mexico retains the right to challenge those higher tariffs at the World Trade Organization (WTO). Moreover, I’ve seen absolutely nothing about any quotas for imports of auto parts as such from Mexico – which are currently running at an annual rate topping $16 billion.

That could actually be good news for the United States – because the auto tariffs (again, reportedly) would be based on the U.S. trade law that authorizes Washington to impose levies based on national security considerations. Such trade curbs are legal under WTO rules because the creators of even this sovereignty-impinging arrangement recognized that no major powers would ever surrender their right to assess and act on their national security interests. It’s plausible, therefore, to believe that today’s WTO majority would shy away from challenging this kind of decision by Washington, however damaging it might be to their exports, for fear of provoking a U.S. walkout and thus the organization’s demise.

But there’s no guarantee of this outcome – especially if or when a more WTO-friendly administration replaces Mr. Trump’s in Washington.

It’s true that an eventual Trump decision to impose lofty national security-justified auto tariffs on non-North American auto-makers would render many of these questions moot – because even if Mexico was exempted, and those companies therefore could keep supplying the American market through that channel, they’d quickly run up against the quota (assuming of course that one exists).

Yet this auto tariff decision seems to lie pretty far down the road. In the meantime, the NAFTA decision continues to look pretty confusing. I’m just hoping that this post will make your confusion a little more informed.


(What’s Left of) Our Economy: Politico’s Failed Takedown of Trump’s Auto Jobs Policies

20 Wednesday Mar 2019

Let’s all hope that Politico doesn’t start a new publication called “Economico.” Because its latest venture into economic policy reporting – yesterday’s examination of President Trump’s trade-centric approach to strengthening America’s automotive industry – had about as much in common with sound economic analysis as Beto O’Rourke’s current talking points have with the Gettysburg Address.

The headline nicely sums up the piece’s theme: “Trump facing failing strategy on auto jobs as he heads to Ohio.” And the news hook is the President’s trip today to Ohio, where the announced closure of a long-time General Motors factory in the northeastern town of Lordstown has understandably attracted national attention given Mr. Trump’s 2016 campaign promise to ensure its survival, and given the importance of Lordstown-type manufacturing workers to his political success.

But the article’s treatment of the Lordstown decision and the broader Trump auto industry record is based almost entirely on cherry-picked facts presented in such stark isolation as to produce a thoroughly misleading picture to readers.

First, the piece doesn’t say that, for all the disrupted lives already caused and sure to continue due to GM’s Lordstown decision, Reuters reported the day before that

“ GM Chief Executive Officer Mary Barra has said the automaker expects to have 2,700 job openings by early 2020 at other thriving plants, enough to absorb nearly all of those displaced in plants in Maryland, Ohio and Michigan willing or able to uproot for work hundreds of miles away. GM said another 1,200 affected hourly workers are eligible for early retirement.

“ Based on a plant-by-plant count provided by GM, if every worker displaced or soon to be displaced volunteers for or accepts a new job – and those eligible to retire do so – that would potentially leave up to 500 GM workers jobless, far fewer than the thousands decried by the UAW [United Auto Workers union] and Trump.”

No one should underestimate the economic and other difficulties of relocation – especially from an economically struggling area like northeastern Ohio, where homes on the market don’t exactly command primo relative prices. And GM’s claims should be closely monitored going forward. But the Politico article, and all the coverage of Lordstown, should have mentioned that, based on what’s been promised, most of the released employees won’t be left on the streets (figuratively speaking).

By contrast, the Politico reporters unquestionably swallowed the claims by GM as well as Ford about the Trump administration’s metals tariffs crippling the auto companies’ prospects. Had they asked the obvious question about how the higher metals prices compared with the auto-makers’ overall costs, they’d have discovered that the tariffs barely moved the needle on overall figures – and that the companies’ could easily have found (and still can find) other economizing options to offset them.

Nor did the authors ask the equally obvious questions about overall trends in Lordstown-area and Ohio automotive and manufacturing employment. A five-minute dive into Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS) data would have found that, during President Trump’s first 23 data months in office, the state’s manufacturers have added more jobs (20,400) than during the final three years (36 months) of former President Obama’s administration (19,700). The Trump-era gains are especially impressive since they’ve come later in the business cycle, when expansions typically lose momentum. (These time periods are chosen since they’re the stretches of each administration closest to each other during the same business cycle.)

In addition, although the latest figures only go up to September, 2018, the two Ohio counties in which Lordstown and nearby Youngstown (another victim of the GM decision) – Trumbull and Mahoning, respectively), have fared relatively well during the Trump years as well.

Specifically, during the first 19 data months under Trump, Trumbull County lost 569 manufacturing jobs. (BLS doesn’t track automotive employment at the county level.) During the final 19 months of the Obama administration, manufacturing payrolls fell by 1,150. For Mahoning, the comparable numbers are: Trump, up 294, Obama, down 468. Those are hardly gangbuster results during the Trump years. But failure?

In automotive specifically, from the state-level perspective. President Trump’s impact looks more mixed – but hardly failed, either. During his first 23 data months in office, Ohio vehicle makers added only 800 jobs. But during Mr. Obama’s final 23 months in office, they shed 1,300. In parts, the “Obama effect” looks better – Ohio-based facilities increased their payrolls by 3,600 during his last 23 months, whereas they boosted employment by only 800 under the Trump administration so far.

Interesting, a similar mixed picture emerges on a nation-wide basis. During Mr. Obama’s last 23 data months in office, U.S. auto and light truck producers increased employment by 21,400, versus a 23,400 improvement during the first 23 Trump months. But the Obama numbers for auto parts are much better – a gain of 34,900 during his last 23 months versus an 11,900 rise for the first 23 Trump months.

At the same time, are the lagging overall Trump national numbers due entirely or even mainly to his allegedly failed trade policies? Or to the topping out of American light vehicle sales that began in the fall of 2015? The Politico authors never give readers a chance to decide.

In fact, the changing automotive cycle surely accounts for much and maybe all of the declining rate of auto industry investment during the Trump years so far, especially compared with the big numbers racked up during the Obama years. Most of that spending of course came much earlier in the auto and broader economic cycle, when the sector and the rest of the nation were rebounding (with decisive federal aid) from a near-death economic experience.

The Politico article also repeats the canard that “International trade makes it difficult to distinguish between what’s truly American and what’s truly foreign.” Actually, it’s not difficult at all. U.S. Transportation Department data annually presents the U.S./Canadian and foreign content figures for every auto and light truck model sold in America. As reported by a recent analysis of the figures:

“ Detroit has the bulk of cars with high domestic content. GM, Ford and Fiat Chrysler Automobiles build 37 of the 57 U.S.-assembled cars with 60 percent or higher domestic content. Foreign-based automakers are responsible for dozens of imported cars with zero percent domestic content, according to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration [NHTSA]. Detroit automakers have just two cars below 5 percent….”

Finally, the authors express puzzlement that despite “the threat of auto tariffs….the foreign automakers who would be targeted by the tariffs are bolstering bolstering manufacturing in the U.S. with investments in auto plants across the Midwest and South.” To which anyone not infected with Trump Derangement Syndrome would respond, “Exactly.”


(What’s Left of) Our Economy: Politico’s Failed Takedown of Trump’s Auto Jobs Policies

20 Wednesday Mar 2019

Let’s all hope that Politico doesn’t start a new publication called “Economico.” Because its latest venture into economic policy reporting – yesterday’s examination of President Trump’s trade-centric approach to strengthening America’s automotive industry – had about as much in common with sound economic analysis as Beto O’Rourke’s current talking points have with the Gettysburg Address.

The headline nicely sums up the piece’s theme: “Trump facing failing strategy on auto jobs as he heads to Ohio.” And the news hook is the President’s trip today to Ohio, where the announced closure of a long-time General Motors factory in the northeastern town of Lordstown has understandably attracted national attention given Mr. Trump’s 2016 campaign promise to ensure its survival, and given the importance of Lordstown-type manufacturing workers to his political success.

But the article’s treatment of the Lordstown decision and the broader Trump auto industry record is based almost entirely on cherry-picked facts presented in such stark isolation as to produce a thoroughly misleading picture to readers.

First, the piece doesn’t say that, for all the disrupted lives already caused and sure to continue due to GM’s Lordstown decision, Reuters reported the day before that

“ GM Chief Executive Officer Mary Barra has said the automaker expects to have 2,700 job openings by early 2020 at other thriving plants, enough to absorb nearly all of those displaced in plants in Maryland, Ohio and Michigan willing or able to uproot for work hundreds of miles away. GM said another 1,200 affected hourly workers are eligible for early retirement.

“ Based on a plant-by-plant count provided by GM, if every worker displaced or soon to be displaced volunteers for or accepts a new job – and those eligible to retire do so – that would potentially leave up to 500 GM workers jobless, far fewer than the thousands decried by the UAW [United Auto Workers union] and Trump.”

No one should underestimate the economic and other difficulties of relocation – especially from an economically struggling area like northeastern Ohio, where homes on the market don’t exactly command primo relative prices. And GM’s claims should be closely monitored going forward. But the Politico article, and all the coverage of Lordstown, should have mentioned that, based on what’s been promised, most of the released employees won’t be left on the streets (figuratively speaking).

By contrast, the Politico reporters unquestionably swallowed the claims by GM as well as Ford about the Trump administration’s metals tariffs crippling the auto companies’ prospects. Had they asked the obvious question about how the higher metals prices compared with the auto-makers’ overall costs, they’d have discovered that the tariffs barely moved the needle on overall figures – and that the companies’ could easily have found (and still can find) other economizing options to offset them.

Nor did the authors ask the equally obvious questions about overall trends in Lordstown-area and Ohio automotive and manufacturing employment. A five-minute dive into Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS) data would have found that, during President Trump’s first 23 data months in office, the state’s manufacturers have added more jobs (20,400) than during the final three years (36 months) of former President Obama’s administration (19,700). The Trump-era gains are especially impressive since they’ve come later in the business cycle, when expansions typically lose momentum. (These time periods are chosen since they’re the stretches of each administration closest to each other during the same business cycle.)

In addition, although the latest figures only go up to September, 2018, the two Ohio counties in which Lordstown and nearby Youngstown (another victim of the GM decision) – Trumbull and Mahoning, respectively), have fared relatively well during the Trump years as well.

Specifically, during the first 19 data months under Trump, Trumbull County lost 569 manufacturing jobs. (BLS doesn’t track automotive employment at the county level.) During the final 19 months of the Obama administration, manufacturing payrolls fell by 1,150. For Mahoning, the comparable numbers are: Trump, up 294, Obama, down 468. Those are hardly gangbuster results during the Trump years. But failure?

In automotive specifically, from the state-level perspective. President Trump’s impact looks more mixed – but hardly failed, either. During his first 23 data months in office, Ohio vehicle makers added only 800 jobs. But during Mr. Obama’s final 23 months in office, they shed 1,300. In parts, the “Obama effect” looks better – Ohio-based facilities increased their payrolls by 3,600 during his last 23 months, whereas they boosted employment by only 800 under the Trump administration so far.

Interesting, a similar mixed picture emerges on a nation-wide basis. During Mr. Obama’s last 23 data months in office, U.S. auto and light truck producers increased employment by 21,400, versus a 23,400 improvement during the first 23 Trump months. But the Obama numbers for auto parts are much better – a gain of 34,900 during his last 23 months versus an 11,900 rise for the first 23 Trump months.

At the same time, are the lagging overall Trump national numbers due entirely or even mainly to his allegedly failed trade policies? Or to the topping out of American light vehicle sales that began in the fall of 2015? The Politico authors never give readers a chance to decide.

In fact, the changing automotive cycle surely accounts for much and maybe all of the declining rate of auto industry investment during the Trump years so far, especially compared with the big numbers racked up during the Obama years. Most of that spending of course came much earlier in the auto and broader economic cycle, when the sector and the rest of the nation were rebounding (with decisive federal aid) from a near-death economic experience.


TABLE DES MATIÈRES ABRÉVIATIONS 7 AVANT-PROPOS 9 INTRODUCTION 13

1 TABLE DES MATIÈRES ABRÉVIATIONS 7 AVANT-PROPOS 9 INTRODUCTION 13 PREMIER CHAPITRE : LES DEUX CORÉES AUJOURD'HUI 25 I Les entretiens intercoréens 25 II L'influence des événements internationaux 27 III Le développement du programme nucléaire nord-coréen 28 Historique 28 Du nucléaire civil au nucléaire militaire 29 Les satellites découvrent Yongbyon 34 Les risques de dérive nucléaire vers les organisations terroristes 35 DEUXIÈME CHAPITRE: LA POLITIQUE NORD-CORÉENNE DES ÉTATS-UNIS : VERS UNE SOLUTION? 39 I Un président républicain, George H. W. Bush et un président démocrate, Bill Clinton sur la voie d'une solution au problème nucléaire nord-coréen ^39 II Le président George H. W. Bush et la résolution de la première crise nucléaire 41 III Sous Bill Clinton : une présidence de tous les dangers, mais aussi une présidence qui avait pu neutraliser le nucléaire nord-coréen 47 Les Nord-Coréens sortent du TNP et gagnent la première manche 48 Une stabilité. instable 49 Boutros Boutros-Ghali à Pyongyang 51 IV «Si la guerre éclate, Séoul sera transformé en une boule de feu» 52 Clinton prépare le bombardement des installations nucléaires de la RPDC 54 Jimmy Carter obtient un engagement ferme de KIM Il-sung 56 Les conséquences de la mort de KIM Il-sung 59 V Agreed Framework et KEDO 60 Les négociations bilatérales «tactiques» entre USA et RPDC 64 La revue de la politique nord-coréenne des USA par William J. Perry 66 Les visites du vice-maréchal JO Myong-rok à Washington et de Madeleine Albright à Pyongyang

2 TROISIEME CHAPITRE : UN PRESIDENT REPUBLICAIN (GEORGE W. BUSH) DÉTRUIT CE QUE SON PRÉDÉCESSEUR AVAIT ÉLABORÉ 75 I La politique nord-coréenne sous George W. Bush : une aberration 75 Le sommet George W. Bush - KIMDae-jimg, où Bush offense K1M 77 L 'attitude incohérente de George W. Bush envers la Corée du Nord 79 L'influence du 11 septembre 2001 sur la politique américaine 81 Le discours sur l'état de l'union : l'axe du Mal 82 Pyongyang réagit aux accusations de George W. Bush 84 Un camouflet pour Bush : le Premier ministre japonais se rend à Pyongyang 86 II Le torpillage de YAgreed Framework et de la K.EDO 87 L 'envoyé spécial de Bush tente de man&oeliguvrer les Nord-Coréens 89 La réaction de Pyongyang aux accusations de James Kelly 96 Les échanges d'insultes et la diplomatie messianique de Bush 100 Nourriture contre discussions : «Food for Meetings» 101 Beijingpersuade Washington et Pyongyang de négocier : les «entretiens à trois» 102 L'arraisonnement d'un navire nord-coréen à l'origine de la Prolifération Security Initiative (PSI) 105 III La fin de VAgreed Framework et de la K.EDO 109 Washington s'entête et la Corée du Nord annonce qu 'elle possède l'arme nucléaire 113 Le recyclage du plutonium nord-coréen 115 La Corée du Nord joue la carte du recyclage nucléaire Une étape importante : la Déclaration du 19 septembre QUATRIÈME CHAPITRE : CHANGEMENT DE SECRÉTAIRE D'ÉTAT CHANGEMENT DE POLITIQUE? 121 I Le grand marchandage se poursuit. à l'avantage de Pyongyang 121 Le 4 juillet 2006, la RPDC lance un missile intercontinental Taepodong L'embarras de la Corée.du Sud 127 George W. Bush effrayé de commettre en RPDC la même faute qu'en Irak 128 La Corée du Nord fait la preuve qu 'elle peut défier la Chine 130 Les essais balistiques ou comment contraindre Washington à reprendre les négociations 132 II Pyongyang fait exploser sa première bombe atomique 134 L'essai nucléaire nord-coréen : une gifle pour Beijing 137 Le Conseil de Sécurité de l'onu condamne la Corée du Nord 138 La réaction de la RPDC à la résolution

3 Le «parapluie nucléaire américain» : mythe ou réalité? 144 Condoleezza Rice court-circuite Dick Cheney 147 III En février 2007, un accord est signé : le Beijing Deal 149 George W. Bush, un président influençable? 154 Le Beijing Deal fraîchement accueilli aux Etats-Unis 156 L'échec de la méthode Bush 157 CINQUIÈME CHAPITRE : UN PRÉSIDENT DÉMOCRATE (BARACK OBAMA) OPTE POUR UNE «PATIENCE STRATÉGIQUE» 163 I Introduction à la politique nord-coréenne de Barack Obama 163 II La politique nord-coréenne de Barack Obama avant le décès de KIM Jong-il : la «patience stratégique» 164 La RPDC fait exploser sa 2' bombe nucléaire en mai La rencontre «privée» de Bill Clinton avec KIM Jong-il 166 Pyongyang montre ses installations d'enrichissement de l'uranium à des scientifiques américains 167 L'offensive de charme de Pyongyang 169 La Corée du Nord, un «Etat nucléaire»? 170 L'administration Obama s'est-elle fait une raison quant à la dénucléarisation de la RPDC? 172 III Le président Obama piégé par le «torpillage» du Cheonan? 174 Condamnations autour du naufrage du Cheonan 178 Qui a coulé le Cheonan? 181 Washington punit Pyongyang 185 La Corée du Nord dans le contexte de la rivalité sino-américaine 186 KIM Jong-il, le «Soleil du XXt siècle», s'éteint 189 IV La politique nord-coréenne de Barack Obama après le décès de KIM Jong-il 190 Le 29 février 2012, Pyongyang et Washington concluent un accord, le Leap Day Agreement 191 L'accord du 29 février 2012 ne fait pas mention de la Corée du Sud : conséquences pour l'alliance USA - RC 195 SIXIÈME CHAPITRE : ESSAIS BALISTIQUES ET NUCLÉAIRES, PYONGYANG NARGUE WASHINGTON ET BEIJING 197 I Lancement d'une fusée porteuse d'un satellite 197 L 'annonce 197 L 'échec du lancement du 13 avril Le Conseil de Sécurité de l'onu condamne la RPDC 203 Les conséquences négatives pour l'administration Obama

4 La Corée du Sud lance un satellite. avec l'aide de la technologie russe 207 II Lancement d'un second satellite nord-coréen en décembre Prémices du lancement du second satellite 208 L 'annonce du lancement le 1" décembre Le 12 décembre 2012, succès du lancement d'etoile brillante Les Nord-Coréens, maîtres de / 'intox 213 Le Conseil de Sécurité de l'onu condamne la RPDC 214 Pyongyang réagit violemment 215 III La crise du printemps Pour quelles raisons les Nord-Coréens ont-ils tiré un 2 e missile en 2012 et pourquoi veulent-ils tester une 3 e bombe nucléaire? 220 Les prémices d'un 3 e ' essai nucléaire nord-coréen 221 Le 12 février 2013, la RPDC effectue son 3 e essai nucléaire 226 Réactions au 3 e essai nucléaire nord-coréen 228 Pour quelles raisons la RPDC a-t-elle procédé à cet essai à ce moment précis? 229 Les réactions chinoises au 3 e ' essai nucléaire nord-coréen 230 Le 7 mars 2013, le CSONU condamne la RPDC 234 Réactions de Washington, Beijing et Séoul aux menaces nordcoréennes 237 SEPTIÈME CHAPITRE : UNE CRISE AIGUË SANS PRÉCÉDENT 241 I Un cercle vicieux 241 Les réactions nord-coréennes aux critiques de la communauté internationale 241 Les bombardiers américains B-52 et B-2 survolent la Corée du Sud 245 Menaces d'attaque des bases américaines par la RPDC 250 Analyses divergentes sur le degré de dangerosité de la crise 251 La situation en avril Les commentaires de la presse chinoise 256 Les implications pour les relations sino - nord-coréennes 257 Les implications pour la sécurité de la région Asie-Pacifique 260 II Une crise dans la crise : la Zone Economique Spéciale de Kaesong 264 Les choses semblent d'arranger à Kaesong 267 La réouverture de Kaesong 272 III Vers la fin de la crise la plus aiguë depuis Les voyages ratés de Robert King 277 Les causes de la crise du printemps Vers l'ouverture de négociations sérieuses

5 HUITIÈME CHAPITRE : PROSPECTIVES 283 I Comment régler le problème du nucléaire nord-coréen? 283 Estimation du danger véritable 283 La Corée du Sud veut augmenter la portée de ses missiles 287 La réintroduction d'armes nucléaires tactiques américaines en RC 290 Les USA signeront-ils un Traité de Paix avec la RPDC sans ta RC? 292 De quels moyens de pression la RPDC dispose-t-elle? 294 Obama va-t-il reprendre le dossier nord-coréen au stade où l'avait laissé Bill Clinton? 296 Une zone exempte d'armes nucléaires, ébauche d'un système de sécurité dans la région du Nord-Est asiatique? 298 II Les changements à la tête des Etats du Nord-Est asiatique - et des USA-exerceront-ils une influence sur l'avenir de la Péninsule? 301 La Russie : Vladimir Poutine ne modifiera pas sa politique coréenne 301 Le Japon : pas de changement quant à sa politique coréenne 303 Corée du Sud: Mme PARK Gun-hye, le nouveau président, espère influer sur l'avenir des relations intercoréennes 304 La Chine maintiendra-t-elle son soutien à la RPDC? 306 Les Etats-Unis : réélu, Barack Obama pourra-t-il résoudre le problème nucléaire nord-coréen? 308 III Un sommet américano - nord-coréen : le début d'une solution? 312 CONCLUSION TABLE DES MATIÈRES

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LES RELATIONS ETATS-UNIS/COREE DU NORD : POINT DE SITUATION ET PERSPECTIVES par Barthélémy COURMONT Chercheur à l IRIS Note de consultance réalisée pour le compte de la Délégation aux Affaires Stratégiques