Did Humans Walk the Earth with Dinosaurs? Triceratops Horn Dated to 33,500 Years

Did Humans Walk the Earth with Dinosaurs? Triceratops Horn Dated to 33,500 Years

A Triceratops brow horn discovered in Dawson County, Montana, has been controversially dated to around 33,500 years, challenging the view that dinosaurs died out around 65 million years ago. The finding radically suggests that early humans may have once walked the earth with the fearsome reptiles thousands of years ago.

The Triceratops brow horn was excavated in May 2012 and stored at the Glendive Dinosaur and Fossil Museum. The Museum, which has been in cooperation since 2005 with the Paleochronology Group, a team of consultants in geology, paleontology, chemistry, engineering, and education, sent a sample of the outer portion of the Triceratops brow horn to Head of the Paleochronology Group Hugh Miller, at his request, in order to carry out Carbon-14 dating. Mr Miller sent the sample to the University of Georgia, Center for Applied Isotope Studies, for this purpose. The sample was divided at the lab into two fractions with the “bulk” or collagen break down products yielding an age of 33,570 ± 120 years and the carbonate fraction of bone bioapatite yielding an age of 41,010 ± 220 years [UGAMS-11752 & 11752a]. Mr. Miller told Ancient Origins that it is always desirable to carbon-14 date several fractions to minimize the possibility of errors, which Miller requested, and that essential concordance was achieved in the 1000's of years as with all bone fractions of ten other dinosaurs.

Triceratops, a name meaning “three-horned face”, is a genus of herbivorous ceratopsid dinosaur that is said to have first appeared during the late Maastrichtian stage of the late Cretaceous period, about 68 million years ago in what is now North America, and became extinct in the Cretaceous–Paleogene extinction event 66 million years ago. However, scientists from the Paleochronology Group, who perform research relating to “anomalies of science”, maintain that dinosaurs did not die out millions of years ago and that there is substantial evidence that they were still alive as recently as 23,000 years ago.

Classical reconstruction of a Triceratops ( Wikimedia Commons )

Until recently, Carbon-14 dating was never used to test dinosaur bones, as the analysis is only reliable up to 55,000 years. Scientists never considered it worthwhile to run the test – since it is generally believed that dinosaurs have been extinct for 65 million years, based on radiometric dating of the volcanic layers above or below fossils, a method which the Paleochronology Group states has “serious problems and gross assumptions must be made”.

"It became clear years ago that paleontologists were not just neglecting to test dinosaur bones for C-14 content but were refusing to. Normally a good scientist will be curious about the ages of important fossil bones,” Mr. Miller told Ancient Origins in an email.

YouTube video explaining results of carbon testing on dinosaur bones

The results of the Triceratops Horn analysis are not unique. According to Mr. Miller, numerous C-14 tests have now been carried out on dinosaur bones, and surprisingly, they all returned results dating back in the thousands rather than millions of years.

“I organized the Paleochronology group in 2003 to fill a void with regards fossil wood and dinosaur bones as I was curious as to their age by C-14 dating. We thus have used C-14 dating to solve the mystery why soft tissue and dinosaur depictions exist world-wide. Our model predicted dinosaur bones would have significant C-14 and indeed they did in the range of 22,000 to 39,000 years BP.”

Results of C-14 tests on dinosaur bones provided by the Paleochronology Group .

This find goes against the mainstream view by paleontologists and geologists, who assert dinosaurs lived from 220 million and 65 million years ago, during the Mesozoic Era, and state Homo sapiens did not appear until about 200,000 years ago - in the Middle Pleistocene, Middle Paleolithic (Eurasia), or Middle Stone Age (Africa). However, people who believe in Young Earth Creationism and numerous other independent researchers have pointed to ancient artwork, such as the “dinosaur” carved at Angkor Wat, and the Acámbaro figures (which even seem to show humans riding dinosaurs) as evidence to support their perspective. Most agree that this artwork was made long before modern science had pieced together dinosaur fossils and conducted analyses to produce detailed reconstructions of their appearance.

Top left: Relief carving at Angkor Wat, Cambodia (1186 AD). Top Right: Textile from Nazca, Peru (700 AD). Bottom: Tapestry in the Chateau de Blois (1500 AD)

Even more intriguing than the results of the C-14 dating on the Triceratops bone is the discovery of soft tissue in dinosaur fossils. In the March 2005 issue of Science , paleontologist Mary Schweitzer and her team announced the discovery of soft tissue inside a 68-million-year-old Tyrannosaurus rex leg bone from the Hell Creek Formation in Montana, a controversial finding considering scientists had thought soft tissue proteins degrade in less than 1 million years in the best of conditions. After recovery, the tissue was rehydrated by the science team and testing revealed evidence of intact structures such as blood vessels, bone matrix, and connective tissue.

Mark Armitage and Kevin Anderson also published results of a microscopic analysis of soft tissue from a Triceratops horn in the peer-reviewed journal Acta Histochemica . Armitage, a creationist, claimed that the preservation of cells is a scientific impossibility if the dinosaur really walked the Earth over 66 million years ago. On this basis, he opened a discussion with colleagues and students about the implications of such a finding being that the creationist perspective is correct and that dinosaurs existed much later than mainstream science maintains, a move that promptly saw him fired by the University of California .

While the Paleochronology Group says it is not “of any particular creed or denomination”, there are undoubtedly those with creationist beliefs among the group, a fact which critics may say could bias their results. Nevertheless, the group has urged any and all scientists to replicate their results by carrying out rigorous C-14 testing on any dinosaur sample.

“Every sample tested yielded significant original Carbon-14 by extensive cross-checking of their ages in bone collagen, bulk organics and carbonate from bone bioapatite on AMS units and obtained concordance. Thus, the overwhelming odds are that most if not all unpetrified or even supposed petrified dinosaur bones in museum and university collections will show the same result,” Mr Miller told Ancient Origins. “We urge therefore that all those in charge of such collections see if they can replicate our findings. The implications are immense.”

Previous attempts to publish C-14 test results were repeatedly blocked. Raw data without interpretation was blocked from presentation in conference proceedings by the 2009 North American Paleontological Convention, the American Geophysical Union in 2011 and 2012, the Geological Society of America in 2011 and 2012, and by the editors of various scientific journals. The Center for Applied Isotope Studies at the University of Georgia, who conducted ‘blind’ C-14 tests on dinosaur bones, without knowing what they were, refused to conduct further C-14 tests after finding they were testing dinosaur bones. Paleontologist Jack Horner, curator at Montana State University’s Museum of the Rockies, who excavated the Tyrannosaurus Rex remains that contained soft tissue, even turned down an offer of a $23,000 grant to carry out a C-14 test on the remains.

“[T]he public should be made aware that the discovery of soft tissue, C-14 in dinosaur bones and dinosaur depictions world-wild renders current beliefs about how old they are obsolete,” said Mr Miller. “Science is about sharing evidence, and letting the chips fall where they may.”

Although the exploration of dinosaur soft tissue has provided some exciting discussion and possibilities, University of Bristol scientists completed a study on the preservation of keratin protein in dinosaur fossils in 2018 and warned against believing the dating results others have shared. Evan Saitta from the University of Bristol's School of Earth Science explained:

"Decay and mild maturation resulted in some intriguing textural differences in degradation patterns based on the type of keratin such as curling versus crimping of filaments when matured. These results may show promise for identifying relatively recent archaeological keratin remains but when maturation conditions are increased to simulate conditions present during burial and fossilisation, the keratin degrades into a foul-smelling, water-soluble fluid that can dissolve or leach away from the fossil."

While there is a possibility that the C-14 test results were a result of contamination or error, (even though the results were replicated and rigorous pre-treatments were carried out by the University of Georgia to control for this), or are perhaps due to some other factor, it seems reasonable to expect scientists to attempt more than a few replications of such groundbreaking test results. Failure to investigate or even acknowledge such significant findings unfortunately suggests that some scientists are more interested in holding on tight to current perspectives, rather than seeking to advance knowledge and understanding in this field.


Triceratops Horn Dated to 33,500 Years Challenges Carbon Dating Method

It has been widely accepted by most people that dinosaurs died out around 65 million years ago due to a meteor shower.

However, a new find means that this idea could be turned on its head and it might be possible that humans and dinosaurs once walked the Earth together not all that long ago. While others may call the notion that dinosaurs and humans were together absurd, it might not be as far from the truth, and many people think.

Triceratops dated to 33,500 years ago
In Dawson County, Montana, a Triceratops brow horn has been discovered and has been controversially dated to around 33,500 years ago, challenging the view that dinosaurs were extinct many millions of years before humans even existed.

The Triceratops brow horn was excavated in May 2012 and stored at the Glendive dinosaur and Fossil Museum until it was ready to be carbon-14 dated at the University of Georgia.

Triceratops, a name that quite simply means “three-horned face”, is a genus of the herbivorous ceratopsid dinosaur that is said to have first appeared during the late Maastrichtian stage of the late Cretaceous period, which was roughly about 68 million years ago in what is now North America, and became extinct in the Cretaceous–Paleogene extinction event about 66 million years ago.

However, scientists from the Paleochronology Group often conduct research relating to the “anomalies of science” and they continuously maintain the opinion that dinosaurs did not die out millions of years ago and that there is substantial evidence that they were still alive as recently as 23,000 years ago, this recent discovery included. This dinosaur horn is it unique though. A number of dinosaur bones have now been carbon-14 dated and they all returned similar results and were dated back thousands of years instead of millions as once previously thought.

Carbon-14 Dating
After the bone pieces were sent to Georgia to be dated, the sample was divided at the lab into two fractions with the “bulk” or collagen break down products yielding an age of 33,570 ± 120 years and the carbonate fraction of bone, bioapatite, yielding an age of 41,010 ± 220 years. Until recently, Carbon-14 dating was never used to test dinosaur bones, as the analysis is only reliable up to 55,000 years.

Scientists never considered it worthwhile to run the test given that it is generally believed that dinosaurs have been extinct for 65 million years. Paleontologists were not just neglecting to test the bones for C-14 content though they were outright refusing to do it.

Something which has now been proven to not be a waste of time and may actually be quite useful.

The most common and mainstream view that paleontologists and geologists have is that the dinosaurs lived from 220 million and 65 million years ago, during the Mesozoic Era. They also believe that Homo sapiens, the earliest form of human beings, did not appear until about 200,000 years ago which was in the Middle Pleistocene, Middle Paleolithic (Eurasia), or Middle Stone Age (Africa).

However, along with the dating of the bones, there is other evidence that has led people to believe in Young Earth Creationism and they have pointed towards ancient artwork, such as the “dinosaur” carved at Angkor Wat, and the Acámbaro figures which even depicts human riding creatures similar to that of dinosaurs.

Most people agree that this artwork was produced at a time before modern science had even begun to piece together dinosaur fossils and conduct analysis to gain insight into the way that dinosaurs might have looked. The video below explains a little bit about the carbon dating that has been discussed above.


Do these images ‘Prove’ Humans coexisted with dinosaurs?

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Dinosaurs are believed to have ruled over the planet some 65 million years ago. Their ‘rule’ came to an abrupt end when a massive asteroid impacted Earth, kick-starting a series of events that nearly wiped out all life on the planet.

When the 6-mile-wide (10 kilometers) asteroid collided with Earth, mammals and dinosaurs alike suffered great losses. All of the dinosaurs—except birds—bit the dust, and about 75 percent of all mammals died, said Gregory Wilson, an adjunct curator of vertebrate paleontology at the Burke Museum of Natural History and Culture in Seattle.

However, he notes how not everything went extinct. In fact, a few mammals made it through the devastating extinction event.

“These mammals seemed to be ones that were particularly small and had generalist diets, so they could survive by hiding and eating lots of different foods — traits that helped them endure the chaos after the asteroid hit.”

But, what if—specifically—not all dinosaurs went extinct? Is there a small possibility that somehow, some dinosaurs survived the impact event and lived on?

Many authors and researchers are firmly convinced that there is enough evidence to suggest that in the distant past, mankind and dinosaurs lived alongside on Earth.

So where’s that conclusive evidence you ask?

Well, if we take a look at written and oral legends, we will find ‘stories’ of incredible creatures in nearly all ancient cultures around the globe.

Legends of ‘dragons’ are found among many ancient cultures which developed on Earth thousands of years ago.

There are stories of Dragons in ancient China, we have the stories of Bel and the Dragon and the Kulta of Australian Aborigines. We also have St. George and the Dragon. interestingly, some of their descriptions would fit perfectly in the anatomical descriptions of certain dinosaurs. These descriptions seem to match what we know from the fossil evidence of certain dinosaurs.

But in addition to fossil records and legends found in nearly all corners of the world, we have cave paintings figurines and carvings which clearly show that dinosaurs may have lived alongside humans on Earth.

Triceratops Horn dated to 33,500 years

Discovered in Dawyon County montana, a Triceratops brow horn has been controversial dates back to around 33,500 years, officially challenging the idea that dinosaurs went extinct some 66 million years ago.

This discovery, like many others, suggests that mankind coexisted on Earth with dinosaurs in the distant past. The Triceratops Horn is currently stored at the Glendive Dinosaur and Fossil Museum.

Stegosaurus carving on ancient Cambodian Temple

If we take a look at a carving found on the Cambodian Ta Prohm temple, we will notice a supposed carving of a Stegosaurus, or at least something that eerily resembles it. The temple was built around the 12 th century prompting many authors and researchers to suggest that dinosaurs and mankind coexisted not long ago.

A tepestry in the Chateau de Blois dating back to 1500 AD shows a Dinosaur-like creature

If we take a look at the Tapestry in the Chateau de Blois (1500 AD), we will notice a ‘creature’ that eerily resembles a dragon (and its baby) with gnarly horns on its head that are reminiscent of the dinosaur Dracorex hogwartsia—aka “dragon king of Hogwarts”.

Nazca Dinosaurs?

A set of extremely interesting discoveries were made near the Nazca valley in Peru.

One of the most controversial discoveries made there was an ancient piece of textile, dating back from around 700 AD which clearly shows what many believe is another Dinosaur. Is it possible that the Nazca Cultures—and civilizations predating them—saw flesh and blood dinosaurs?

The Ica Stones

The Ica Stones are perhaps the most controversial of all discoveries that point toward a human-dinosaur coexistence.

Irrefutable evidence that ancient man coexisted with dinosaurs?

The enigmatic stones were discovered in Peru and allegedly depict the use of electromagnetic energy, pyramids, space travel, men looking at the stars with binoculars, the study of ancient petroglyphs and most shockingly maps of our planet as it was 13 million years ago. The stones were found in 1961 by farmers beneath the sands of the vast desert of Ocucaje, on the coast of the Department of Ica, Peru.

Native American Petroglyph

Another fascinating piece of evidence which points to the possibility that ancient cultures saw dinosaurs roaming the Earth can be seen in Utah US.

A Native American petroglyph found under the Kachina Bridge at the Natural Bridges National Monument shows what many say is undoubtedly a dinosaur, specifically the massive titanosaur Argentinosaurus huinculensis, which is the largest dinosaur known from uncontroversial evidence, estimated to have been 96.4 metric tons (106.3 short tons) and 39.7 m (130 ft) long.


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Triceratops Horn Dated to 33,500 Years.. Really??

Post by Shen1986 » Tue Jan 13, 2015 6:35 pm

Triceratops Horn Dated to 33,500 Years
- By April Holloway

A Triceratops brow horn discovered in Dawson County, Montana, has been controversially dated to around 33,500 years, challenging the view that dinosaurs died out around 65 million years ago. The finding radically suggests that early humans may have once walked the earth with the fearsome reptiles thousands of years ago.

The Triceratops brow horn was excavated by palaeontologist Otis Kline Jr, microscope scientist Mark Armitage, and microbiologist and avocational palaeontologist Kevin Anderson, in May 2012, and two horn samples (GDFM 12.001a and GDFM 12.001b) were given to the Glendive Dinosaur and Fossil Museum in Montana. The samples were then sent to the University of Georgia, Center for Applied Isotope Studies for Carbon-14 dating, which yielded an estimated date of 33,570 ± 120 years for the first sample and 41,010 ± 220 years for the second.

Triceratops, a name meaning “three-horned face”, is a genus of herbivorous ceratopsid dinosaur that is said to have first appeared during the late Maastrichtian stage of the late Cretaceous period, about 68 million years ago in what is now North America, and became extinct in the Cretaceous–Paleogene extinction event 66 million years ago. However, scientists from the Paleochronology Group, a team of consultants in geology, paleontology, chemistry, engineering, and education, who perform research relating to “anomalies of science”, maintain that dinosaurs did not die out millions of years ago and that there is substantial evidence that they were still alive as recently as 23,000 years ago.

Classical reconstruction of a Triceratops (Wikimedia Commons)

Until recently, Carbon-14 dating was never used to test dinosaur bones, as the analysis is only reliable up to 55,000 years. Scientists never considered it worthwhile to run the test since it is generally believed that dinosaurs have been extinct for 65 million years, based on radiometric dating of the volcanic layers above or below fossils, a method which the Paleochronology Group states has “serious problems and gross assumptions must be made”.

"It became clear years ago that paleontologists were not just neglecting to test dinosaur bones for C-14 content but were refusing to. Normally a good scientist will be curious about the ages of important fossil bones,” Hugh Miller, a research and consulting chemist and Head of the Paleochronology Group, told Ancient Origins in an email.

Columbus Dispatch, The (OH) November 3, 1991 CREATIONISTS SAY DINOSAURS LIVED WITH MAN Author: Michael B. Lafferty, Dispatch Science Reporter
A Columbus creation science group says Soviet tests confirm dinosaurs and humans were contemporaries as recently as 10,000 years ago, some 66 million years after dinosaurs were supposedly eliminated in a mass extinction.

Soviet scientists Dmitri Kouznetsov and Andrey Ivanov said the tests showed samples of dinosaur bones were 9,800 to 30,000 years old. Ivanov, a researcher at Moscow State University, used a technique called laser mass spectroscopy, which measures small quantities of chemicals, to analyze samples of the bones.

"This method is far from ideal. We're not sure of the absolute age. But we are sure of the coexistence of Asian man and dinosaurs," said Kouznetsov, a biochemist and a supporter of the concept of creationism.

Creation science holds that the literal, biblical account of creation can be scientifically verified and that humans did not evolve, or change gradually, from simpler, more primitive organisms over 4.5 billion years.

A leading critic of creationist theory called the reported findings "ludicrous" and said the creationists used testing methods inappropriate for fossils.

"Either we're going to live in the same world or go for any piece of bunk," said Leonard Krishtalka, curator of the Carnegie Museum of Natural History in Pittsburgh. "No matter what date they claim, the dinosaurs died out 66 million years ago."

Investigators at the University of Arizona, who tested some of the samples at the request of local creationists, said their results do not represent the true age of the fossils.

Creationists, however, are elated with the Soviets' findings as well as the Arizona data which, they say, confirms their beliefs. They are undeterred by the skepticism.

"We have knocked 100 million years off the age of the dinosaurs," said Hugh Miller, leader of the Creation Research Education Science Foundation, which arranged the testing and a visit to Columbus for the Soviet scientists last week.

The Soviets used bone fragments of a dozen dinosaurs obtained from finds in Texas and Colorado and from the collection at the Carnegie Museum, Miller said.

The data is one more attack by believers of creationist theory on the theory of evolution, which has provided the fundamental underpinnings of modern biology. Mainline scientists believe dinosaurs evolved about 200 million years ago before dying in a mass extinction about 65 million or 66 million years ago.

A cataclysm fits with a closely held belief of creationists - Noah's flood, which Miller believes occurred 10,000 to 30,000 years ago.

The famous, probably nice, but completely cranky New Age crackpot José Argüelles narrowly escaped inclusion in this Encyclopedia in March 2011. No one would of course suspect global warming denialist Dick Armey of being a nice person, but despite his denialism he remains one of the less moronic (though probably not less vile) of the extreme wingnuts, and if he were given an entry we would probably be forced to swamp our Encyclopedia with similar trolls.

We cannot pass over Mark H. Armitage, however. Armitage was an Adjunct Professor of Biology at Azusa Pacific University, a religious college, and received a “Masters Degree” from the regionally unaccredited Institute for Creation Research. Graduate School. Currently Armitage is affiliated with the Creation Research Society, and operates and maintains a working electron microscopy lab there (what a waste of resources), as well as serving on the Board of Directors.


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Triceratops horn dated to 35K years ago suggests humans may have walked the earth with dinosaurs

A Triceratops brow horn discovered in Dawson County, Montana, has been controversially dated to around 33,500 years, challenging the view that dinosaurs died out around 65 million years ago. The finding radically suggests that early humans may have once walked the earth with the fearsome reptiles thousands of years ago.

The Triceratops brow horn was excavated in May 2012 and stored at the Glendive Dinosaur and Fossil Museum. The Museum, which has since 2005 been in cooperation with the Paleochronology Group, a team of consultants in geology, paleontology, chemistry, engineering, and education, sent a sample of the outer portion of the Triceratops brow horn to Head of the Paleochronology Group Hugh Miller, at his request, in order to carry out Carbon-14 dating. Mr Miller sent the sample to the University of Georgia, Center for Applied Isotope Studies, for this purpose. The sample was divided at the lab into two fractions with the "bulk" or collagen break down products yielding an age of 33,570 ± 120 years and the carbonate fraction of bone bioapatite yielding an age of 41,010 ± 220 years [UGAMS-11752 & 11752a]. Mr Miller told Ancient Origins that it is always desirable to carbon-14 date several fractions to minimize the possibility of errors which Miller requested and that essential concordance was achieved in the 1000's of years as with all bone fractions of ten other dinosaurs.

Triceratops, a name meaning "three-horned face", is a genus of herbivorous ceratopsid dinosaur that is said to have first appeared during the late Maastrichtian stage of the late Cretaceous period, about 68 million years ago in what is now North America, and became extinct in the Cretaceous - Paleogene extinction event 66 million years ago. However, scientists from the Paleochronology Group, who perform research relating to "anomalies of science", maintain that dinosaurs did not die out millions of years ago and that there is substantial evidence that they were still alive as recently as 23,000 years ago.

Until recently, Carbon-14 dating was never used to test dinosaur bones, as the analysis is only reliable up to 55,000 years. Scientists never considered it worthwhile to run the test since it is generally believed that dinosaurs have been extinct for 65 million years, based on radiometric dating of the volcanic layers above or below fossils, a method which the Paleochronology Group states has "serious problems and gross assumptions must be made".


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Sep 28, 2017 #4 2017-09-28T17:04

What I didn't see in the article is WHO, exactly, identified the fossil as a triceratops horn?

The website from the Glendale Museum is called "CreationTruth" and has this in its "About Us" section:

wrote: The Glendive Dinosaur & Fossil Museum proudly presents its exhibits in the context of Biblical history.

The museum houses more than 24 full-size dinosaurs plus numerous singular fossils. It also houses informative exhibits explaining the origin of the geologic column, the fossil record, the age of the earth, as well as a Biblical history exhibit, a theater and a gift shop.

The mission of the Foundation Advancing Creation Truth (FACT) and its related ministries is to glorify God as Creator and Sustainer, emphasize man’s accountability to Him, affirm God’s revealed and inspired Word as the preeminent source of truth and authority, and to challenge mankind to think through the assumptions and consequences of the humanistic concept of evolution and its underlying premise that the earth is billions of years old.

-All things were supernaturally created by the Triune God – Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

-The Bible is the divinely inspired revelation of the Creator, completely free from error in the original manuscripts.

-Each type of plant and animal was specifically created “after its kind” by God none came from chance or natural processes, nor did any develop from some other plant or animal.

Not exactly an unbiased source.

Sep 29, 2017 #5 2017-09-29T10:50

Sep 29, 2017 #6 2017-09-29T20:24

Evidence to support your assertion?

And avoided the question of who identified this horn as being from triceratops.

Sep 29, 2017 #7 2017-09-29T23:02

Evidence:
Professional, peer-reviewed scientific journal
cover 22(1)
First issue of 22nd volume now available

Yes! Creationist scientists do publish in peer-reviewed science journals.

Many have impressive publication records in secular scientific journals too. But creationists cannot publish their creationist ideas in secular journals because the evolutionary worldview has a stranglehold on scientific publishing. How did that happen? It’s a long story but it’s got to change.

Some have quipped that the scientific establishment has developed immunity to new ideas. Certainly the symptoms are showing. They have a shocking history of censoring any hint of creation and intelligent design from the marketplace of ideas. Sir Isaac Newton would be locked out of publishing his thinking today.

That’s why creationists set up their own scientific journals—to break free from these mind-forged manacles.

Since you think it's important I'll see if I can find out who identified the horn.

Sep 29, 2017 #8 2017-09-29T23:10

There seems to be no name of an individual
A Triceratops brow horn discovered in Dawson County, Montana, has been controversially dated to around 33,500 years, challenging the view that dinosaurs died out around 65 million years ago. The finding radically suggests that early humans may have once walked the earth with the fearsome reptiles thousands of years ago.

The Triceratops brow horn was excavated in May 2012 and stored at the Glendive Dinosaur and Fossil Museum. The Museum, which has since 2005 been in cooperation with the Paleochronology Group, a team of consultants in geology, paleontology, chemistry, engineering, and education, sent a sample of the outer portion of the Triceratops brow horn to Head of the Paleochronology Group Hugh Miller, at his request, in order to carry out Carbon-14 dating

Sep 30, 2017 #9 2017-09-30T01:31

ngc1514 wrote: What I didn't see in the article is WHO, exactly, identified the fossil as a triceratops horn?

The website from the Glendale Museum is called "CreationTruth" and has this in its "About Us" section:

wrote: The Glendive Dinosaur & Fossil Museum proudly presents its exhibits in the context of Biblical history.

The museum houses more than 24 full-size dinosaurs plus numerous singular fossils. It also houses informative exhibits explaining the origin of the geologic column, the fossil record, the age of the earth, as well as a Biblical history exhibit, a theater and a gift shop.

The mission of the Foundation Advancing Creation Truth (FACT) and its related ministries is to glorify God as Creator and Sustainer, emphasize man’s accountability to Him, affirm God’s revealed and inspired Word as the preeminent source of truth and authority, and to challenge mankind to think through the assumptions and consequences of the humanistic concept of evolution and its underlying premise that the earth is billions of years old.

-All things were supernaturally created by the Triune God – Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

-The Bible is the divinely inspired revelation of the Creator, completely free from error in the original manuscripts.

-Each type of plant and animal was specifically created “after its kind” by God none came from chance or natural processes, nor did any develop from some other plant or animal.

Not exactly an unbiased source.

Not exactly an unbiased source:

Maybe not but they are not the ones that dated the fossil so why would it matter?


300-Million-Year-Old Man-Made Tools?

Oopart (out of place artifact) is a term applied to dozens of prehistoric objects found in various places around the world that seem to show a level of technological advancement incongruous with the times in which they were made. Ooparts often frustrate conventional scientists, delight adventurous investigators open to alternative theories, and spark debate.

Workers at a stone quarry near Aix-en-Provence, France, in the 18th century came across a find that remains a mystery.

They dug down through layer upon layer of limestone. In a stratum of sand between the 11th and 12th layers, they found man-made objects that seemed to flout the commonly held timeline for human existence on Earth. The find was recorded in the American Journal of Science and Arts in 1820 by T. D. Porter, who was translating Count Bournon’s work, “Mineralogy.” The article is available online through the Internet Archive, a non-profit organization that makes digital copies of print works.

Though Porter did not give a an age for the objects based on their location, Roy Bainton wrote in his book “The Mammoth Book of Unexplained Phenomena” that the surrounding limestone was dated at 300 million years old.

Porter quoted Bournon: “They found stumps of columns and fragments of stones half wrought, and the stone was exactly similar to that of the quarry. They found moreover coins, handles of hammers, and other tools or fragments of tools in wood. But that which principally commanded their attention, was a board about one inch thick and seven or eight feet long.”

This board was shaped the same as those used by the modern masons and quarry men. It seemed humans had been engaged in similar quarrying work—well before humans were thought to exist let alone use tools.

The wrought, and partially wrought, stones were unchanged, but all wooden instruments had turned into agate, a hard stone.

Porter continued: “Here then, (observes Count Bournon,) we have the traces of a work executed by the hand of man, placed at the depth of fifty feet, and covered with eleven beds of compact limestone. Everything tended to prove that this work had been executed upon the spot where the traces existed. The presence of man had then preceded the formation of this stone, and that very considerably since he was already arrived at such a degree of civilization that the arts were known to him, and that he wrought the stone and formed columns out of it?”